SSF4 AE Vega Changes

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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I for one…DO NOT CARE ABOUT BANDWAGONERS.

All i care about is making my character BETTER. Vega needs a solid reversal. Now, if they keep it this way, he will get one.

People arent gonna become super good with vega just because of one move. Bandwagoners arent gonna become good because of one move. Just like any other characters…they’ll drop vega when they start losing all the time.

Wanting Vega to not have a solid reversal just so people wont use him is really selfish. I get compliments all the time about my Vega, both in tournaments and random online play. Does it make me feel good? Yes. Does it matter in the end? No.

Let me ask you guys this…

Would you rather be known as a guy that has a great Vega but never EVER win any big tournaments? Or would you rather be known as a guy that has a great Vega that’s winning all the big tournaments?

For oldschool players like me…who have been playing seriously for the past 10 years going to tournaments n such…we all would choose the second.

I know people are gonna come in and try to argue saying “if you wanna win so badly why dont you play one of the top tier characters?” The answer is simple…Vega is my character and always will be. I want MY character to win.

I’ve also noticed that the people that wants to be “unique” are mostly people that just picked up the game when SF4 came out…I can safely assume that these new players just want to be “known” for something, even if they dont win anything just so that they can feel special about themselves.

And dont get me wrong, i’ve played against these anti invincibility ex st crowd, some of them are in fact good. So i do understand where they are coming from as to why they dont think its necessary.

But from a grand scheme of things, invincibility on ex-st IS needed to take him to that next level.

Like i said earlier…do you REALLY want to be just known as a “unique” player that never wins anything?

Just aside from your local tournies and the vega forums, no one really is gonna know who you are anyway until you start winning tourneys consistently or place extremely high in big ones. Wouldnt you rather be known for that instead?

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Everything he said…

A class Vega player.

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Well let’s wait until we get some confirmation these changes even stick…

But yeah you guys know i’m the last person to want some bandwagoners using my main for his I frames on his exST.

But it depends on what you’re looking for from this game. If you want a fun way to kill time then cool. But if you actually want to win, and win big(Evo) and get recognition then bandwagoners will be the last thing you’re worried about.

Oh and can’t wait to see some of the better Claws get a hold of The New Vega.(Yes Joz you’re one of them)

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So you want no one to use him so that you can continue fueling your ego. Nope, not childish or selfish at all lol.

Also i agree with buddha. If vega becomes top tier then so be it, nothing wrong with that. Last time i checked the objective is to win. And play your own damn game and spend less time worrying about what other people are doing.

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Honestly, I don’t care if bandwagoners all start using Vega. The fact still remains that you have to be good or everyone will kill you. If they play me with a garbage Vega then they will get destroyed. Viable reversal won’t change much if you play against me.

Even if he did receive I frames on Ex ST he would still be very unique yes. He would just have a new tactic at his disposal like other characters.

Aside from that, I believe the main thing is the trade off. Would people rather have I frames on ex ST or faster jumps or w/e other buff that he should have. I think that’s the main thing.

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@Buddha’s Weapon
I’m in complete agreement with what you said for the most part, just a few points of my own I wanted to add.

I’ve been poking around this forum for awhile now, but new to posting so it’s nice to meet you all :smiley: I picked up Vega in vanilla and my masochistic nature has kept me a firm groupie! I just feel all this talking about a ‘viable reversal’ being overpowered is a little silly. I mean, for example, Guile on paper looks to be invincible. He has an almost immediate recovery from his fireball, some of the best normal anti-air options in the game i.e. d.fierce, df.roundhouse, s.strong, airthrow and an wake up fadc flash kick. Just looking at these statistics on paper it would appear that he was for all purposes unbeatable, his gameplan being spam sonic boom and anti-air as necessary seemingly foolproof and yet gets beat just like everyone else.

I dunno, to me it doesn’t seem that a few invincible frames on ex st would be game breaking for vega. I mean sure it would improve him but what’s to stop someone baiting it out and punishing? So on paper it looks so easy to just turtle out c.strong and wait for a jump but I doubt that strategy will be as simple as it sounds.

Nerfing damage on izuna drop would hurt though… I always laugh when I read that vega’s damage output is low. S.fierce c.strong to ex wall dive alone = a world of hurt so I would be disappointed to see my hit confirms result in less damage. I’m kinda drooling about the thought of a st.fadc u2 but that?s somewhat unlikely and like everything else with vega i’m sure to take it with a fistful of salt, its too early to call anything and I won’t believe any of it until I sit down and play new vega for myself.

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so you think Daigo, or Mago, or Tokido, or Sako fear Makoto or Cat-K? I very much doubt it. Look at what they do to him once they knock him down, no god damn respect what so ever. You think they respect him when they are there sitting attacking him an he is blocking afraid of what he can do while blocking? I very much doubt it.

Any way, top tier Vega? Why not? Shit players be shit players. idk why you guys even cry or say bandwagoners. 95% of Vega’s ive come across are shit, the remaining 4% are ok and the last 1% are good. And you guys know that. Besides if you really want to handicap yourself, go play Sagat, Gen, etc. I play to win with the character i like, ill gladly take anything that makes him broken. It just means im going to win more and more efficiently.

but whateva this is just coming of as rants.

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pedovejo,its in the opinion of cat-k and makoto that the shoto matchup is already in vega’s favour by quite a bit,so i dont know what you’re talkingabout there.Almost all of the claw players feel that vega as he is right now is pretty damn perfect,dont understand why the developers are still messing around with him.
if anything it just shows how capcom is keen on making vega bland and single dimensionally powered all over again.

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Rugal: This is gonna sound very…how will I put this…Sagat-like, but…if you are a real competitor who gives a damn about band wagoners and I think your comments bring shame to any true street fighter player. The only thing you should be concerned about is getting stronger and breaking through your limits. If you have chosen Claw as your main then so be it. The AE changes should have no bearing or your decision to be come stronger.

To all Claw players that don’t want ST to have invincibility frames: lol, yall niggas is stupid.

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shrugs guess I’m just one of these people that likes really having to think and have to work my way out of a situation instead of having a reversal. It’s the reason I’ve never picked a shoto, I couldn’t stand the get out of jail free crap that came with their reversals at times.

I’m on my own here and I know it. I just didn’t believe Vega needed tampering with.

Though in my head I’m going “It’s a viable reversal…on meter. Whoopie shit.”

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lulz

It’s not that they don’t want it but i guess they don’t like the buff-nerf tradeoff.

I’ll take it, tyvm :þ

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It’s the backdash XD That bloody backdash nerf is driving me mental at the moment. I’d happily trade EX.ST back for that if they’ve done something bad to it.

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Who said ST is get out jail free? When was it ever that in ST? Also why are you guys like…bullshitting yourselves into thinking Claw is this uber complex char? He’s really not. He has some tricks, but the shit that wins is the same as it ALWAYS been. Poke the shit out of people and control footsies and try to be unpredictable in your movement and mix-up with basic stuff like tick throws and now his overhead. He is a fundamental char that excels at the basics of SF similar to Ryu, but instead of being a jack of all trades he specializes in one area namely ground game/footsies.

Please don’t mistake not being top tier as meaning he has more depth. You are only fooling yourselves. Especially if you think adding this will suddenly make him braindead. Well more braindead then he already is. His footsies aren’t exactly super complex. He has really good buttons with really good walk speed. It’s not exactly hard to dominate footsies with that kind of toolset. Vega doesn’t lose certain matches because he is this char that requires GODLIKE SKILLZ OMGWTFBBQ. Cut the shit guys. He lacks tools in pressure situations.

All of you get off your high horse.

I think playing a former low tier with limited tools has messed with your heads a bit. Come back to earth plz k thnx.

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Yeah same here Fran, i loved that backdash :confused: but it’s a blessing in disguise imo

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Let’s hope that’s the case. I think I’m realizing that it really is just going “Reversal requires meter to actually be viable…woopie shit.” that’s making me think less of it XD anything like that that requires meter to be viable is never anything special to me.
Like about 80% of our options at present vs Blanka…yay meter which we might not have!

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;_; You’re right, we aren’t saying he was shit. The consensus around here was that we didn’t want any changes. Some of us are masochists and want to be pretty little snowflakes though. So there’s a allbeit small, but a part of us that doesn’t want bandwagoners. I don’t blame them either, but it will probably happen.

And yeah Vega’s got some great moves, but you actually have to think in different matchups. We have alot of good buttons but you actually have to think to make good use of them.

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did any of you lok on event hubs for this info? because if m not mistaken it DOES say that his ex sc CAN be fadc on first hit

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3 bars son.

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srsly

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so what. at least its an option now. save your meter and dont throw out any random ass ex wall dives and youll be okay. imagine a jump in and you wake up ex sc dash cancel into splendid claw for the win. priceless man.