Hey you guys how do you see the Cammy, Bison, Honda and Blanka matchups changing with these AE changes?
why would i attack constantly and do dumb shit when i could just sit back and let people never get near me
The idea is NOW you don’t charge often. And you don’t need to because it’s a fast charge anyway. With EX ST? I will just sit there. why take needless risks when OTHERs are going to be the ones taking risks, much more so than they do now.
I’d rather just lock EVERYTHING down then risk eating damage from reversals, getting baited etc. Getting knocked down with invincibility or not is still a highly more disadvantageous position than standing.
Also wtf? Running away? That was like, a year ago. More than that. I changed my style to play more aggressive so long ago.
And what do you mean “over-use” c. mp? With EX ST, if people are agonna jump over it, WHO CARES. I have the invincibility to actually DO something about it. You won’t be able to use it enough! That’s exactly the point of the argument. Not “running away”, it’s playing like a braindead turtle which is, ultimately, what the best players are gonna do. You don’t see Balrog / Honda getting close ALL the time simply because they want the match to be finished and their invincible EX moves will help them out. No, they just lock it down. no point, whatsoever, in doing anything else. I’m speaking, and making this argument, from the perspective of how I’d actually change my game. And I don’t like it. I like the way Vega is now and see no need for a change when he is already so well balanced.
You guys want it to be easier? Suit yourself. I actually enjoy a challenge and using my head. Sitting on my ass charging invincible EX ST mashing c. MP? Seriously, what the fuck else would you even need to do against like, over 50% of matchups. It’d just be boring ass, offense has nothing to do with it.
Cammy: a nice relief from her tiger knee being on for EX ,
Bison: those scissor kick pressure will no longer happen - i guess at least
Honda: Not much but it’ll be in vega’s favor since honda got a dmg nerf and i frames for the matador
Blank: HEHEHEHEHE… i laugh at this green freak… now with his rolls being this way he’ll be easy to punish… we can say that his rolls will be less often
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks this.
Don’t get mee wrong, I said this earlier but, while EX.ST /may/ be useful. It requires meter to actually be an effective reversal. Who says you’re going to have that meter when you get knocked down? Aim of his meter is you generally use it in BnBs for his EX FBAs.
I personally don’t always charge down when knocked down because chances are if your opponent has the tools, you’re getting crossed up, thrown or something stupid on wakeup so I find it better to wake up standing.
So to me personally, EX.ST wouldn’t help my playstyle a huge amount unless my opponent is a predictable ass that keeps jumping in on me over wakeup.
What some of you have to remember is that not every Vega plays the same. So to some people’s playstyles, it’s hella useful. To others where you’re barely charging outside of BnBs or your pokes, it’s not a big whoop.
nice points there francys but most high level vega players have at least one ex bar during %80 of the round,
btw change your comnt lol
While that’s true, we’re talking high level. What about intermediates where a few of the people here stand?
I don’t know, maybe I don’t like relying on something that might be there or might not.
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Why exactly? O_o
shit BUDDHA rii now im LAUGHIN 
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LOL @ people who think Vega’s playstyle is going to change with the addition of EX ST being a viable reversal. You guys are giving way too much credit to EX ST. The main [obvious] difference is that Vega is no longer going to be free on wake up when he has meter. As far as AA’s go, EX ST is an obvious choice if you have the meter and you feel the damage is worth the ex bar.
The fact is that now Vega relies heavily on EX meter for combos, punishes, reversals and anti air… so you have to be very judicious with meter management. Just the fact that ST has to be EX is reason why the move isn’t going to be THAT amazing (though it is great). And by NO MEANS is that going to make Vega a brain dead, “crouch charge all day mash cr.mp and hope your opponent is dumb enough to jump only to be get hit by EX ST” character (lol).
I’m actually very glad he finally got this addition. Now he feels complete and is a much better character.
Also, Vega BY DESIGN is not meant to be a run away character. Vega is a footsie character, not a keep away/turtle character. Big difference.
Faggotry
Blanka ball doesn’t recoil as much, IF the cosmic heel buff is on the start-up, we can probably punish balls with cosmic heel now 
Edit: If it’s not possible I won’t really mind, but that would make the match so hilarious
Edit again: I’m still pretty much shocked at the cosmic heel buff… really want more specifics on that
Evidently the reason shrugs
I’m glad SOME people understand the concept of having Vega becoming a SOLID character.
And seriously…braindead? For people that seem to think its sooo easy doing c.mp all day waiting for jump ins to do an EX ST…(no one’s dumb enough to jump in at high level play), let’s see you win Evo or at least make top 3 with this “brain dead easy character”.
I’m sorry. Saying Vega ISN’T a solid character right now is just plain wrong.
Also, I love Jozhear. <333333333333
Becasue you need meter, and do you know how easy it is to use meter that you dont have? And besides, Honda needs to attack. You just cant sit back and hope that your opponents moves in on you. People get in on Guile and wreck his shit even with Flash Kick. What makes you think you with Vega, who doesnt have the neccesary tools to make sure you cannot get in, can keep people out.
And lets think economics. Where is all your meter for this master plan going to come from? Youre not attacking and you dont get enough from being hit. So where are you gonna get it from?
Because you need to attack to get life lead, and you need expensive meter that you dont have any more becasue now you are just holding down back and pressing cr.mp. I mean if you simply sit down and hold down back after you have life lead you will get chipped to death. Even Honda needs to keep the pressure after getting life lead.
Getting knocked down is disadvantaged. But who says you have to take the bait. Its so easy to spot that bait once are used to using reversals. Play Sagat for a month you get baited all the time. Eventually its so easy to see through it. Why do you think high level play you dont see bait reversals so much.
I didnt imply that you would, i know you are too smart to give up tools that work. I said some of you as in the Vega players of the world in general.
You need meter to hurt. You need to build meter. Remember back in the early days, where meter was so hard to come by? I wonder why? Down back as powerful as it is, does not get you any meter so how are you going to sit back hold cr.mp and abuse EX.ST if you have no meter? And the best Balrog do get close all the time. PR Balrog, Maeda, etc . Hell even some of the best Honda’s constantly put pressure. The amount of offensive turtleing they do. Besides every one has tools to break turtles. And Vega + cr.mp + EX.ST does not equal a very good turtle and that happens to be a very easy turtle to break. Maybe if damage here was like in Super Turbo then yes I would be like OMFGWTFBBQ Tier broken because i only need to do this 3 times.
And trust cr.mp EX ST is not going to get you far. Sure it will work online, and a few times at the tourney, but they will find a way around, and trust they arent going to use Vaseline once they do.
But ultimatly that is what you want in a character efficiency. Ryu has nothing that he excels in. There is absolutely nothing WTF about him or special except for that he is one of the most efficient characters in the game. EX ST just makes Vega a more efficient character.
Well is he more solid? Or overpowered? I’d go with the former
no fucking kidding! so what else are they going to do? outfootsie Vega? what on earth does Vega have to worry about, at all, if people aren’t jumping in?
they will jump in the moment you stop holding down back. And there are plenty of ways to stop yo holding down back.
:wonder: walk forward. its just of many.
and cr.mp isnt the answer for walk forward.
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i wouldnt go THAT far