This thread is hilarious (especially the posts regarding Cat-K/Makoto). Listen to Lax people, the dude knows what he’s talking about. Japan is scared shitless of Makoto.:lol:
I’m gonna go and agree with Arlieth in pretty much everything he said. Especially the fact that Vega deserves to be top tier hahaha.:tup:
Giving him Invincibility frames on EX ST is pretty gdlk (and also being able to FADC it… lol). Didn’t see it coming… His Izuna damage being nerfed (I’m assuming it’s going to be in the damage range of 100 ~ 120) is easily a welcome trade. I’m somewhat neutral about his backdash being nerfed. I remember reading that his forward dash may be faster. That would be amazing. Overall, I think giving him a viable reversal in EX ST is pretty strong buff obviously. Sounds like he’s going to be stronger in the next installment, which is awesome.
My opinion/wish list:
-Just like Tatsu, all I would really care for is if they made his st.rh (or any normal) a viable AA. That alone will make Claw amazing.
-Make his U2 a back charge and not a db charge. It will give it the viability it deserves.
-Don’t fuck with df.rh (aka Cosmic Heel). Just… leave it alone. :nono:
-This might be asking for a bit too much but… make his forward dash as good as Dictator/Abel/Chun etc. It will make him a footsie god (now that I think about it, if my above wishes come true, I would gladly have a good forward dash over a good backdash).
That is all I would want (and all the Claw really needs). :rock:
I’ve always said this. Buff his mobility or normals or just give me iframes. He just needs to reliably stop jump ins.
Chun li has ex SB AND st.HK, ryu has srk AND st.hk, freaking bison has ex everything AND st.hk. And you people think vega will be overpowered with ex.st…gtfo.
If any of you guys mained Vega for the last 18 years (like me) you would welcome all these proposed buffs. If you don’t, you’re playing the character for the wrong reasons. He is not a matter of honour, a skill level, or a low-tier victim,…he’s perhaps the coolest character from the greatest fighting game series ever, who wears a Jason mask and used to climb around on fences and shit…
If making him as powerful as Ryu and Chun li makes loads of bandwagon-hoppers use him, so be it, our 2 years experience(at least) will put us ahead of the game, on top of the tree.
Celebrate good times come on!
PS: Alex kd/kamisxy100, I need to start using U2 a bit more, especially as an anti-air. Have you made any videos of it’s exact properties? (mine always seems to go under, or gets blocked/punished).
PPs: Rugal and vegaman, we must have a game, it’s been ages…
My point was not about who had the best, but to disprove the fact that Guile has a FAR BETTER AIRTHROW THAN EVERYONE ELSE (including Vega of course, lol)
And yes, to all of you: Sobat is definitely Cosmic Heel.
df.HK -> ST is a combo that pretty much always gets commentated [media=youtube]jdRpIf958gg#t=1m11s"]“sobatto (ga) tera”. [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRpIf958gg#t=3m45s”[/media] and “tera” being just a typically japanese bastardisation of “terror” which obviously refers to Scarlet Terror.
And well, yeah. If they buff active frames/startup/f.adv. the move will without a doubt become the best command normal in the game by far.
So, the current list is a buff on CH, a buff on medium RCF, a buff to EX ST, a nerft to EX FBA, a nerf to backdash and a nerf to EX SHC?
I can understand the nerf to the Izuna drop damage since he now can universally combo everyone with it but why backdash?
It can’t bullshit out of everything like poke barrages and its hard to evade stuff like Ryu’s dwn MK that has decent active frames… WTF… why nerf =.=
EX SHC already isn’t godly by any means…why nerf? If anything, it needs a buff.
EX ST having invincibility is not a bad idea but if I had to choose between a nerf on backdash and a buff on EX ST…I’d choose backdash. His two ultras already make him a threat from various ranges, another reason to crouch all day like Blanka isn’t ideal. As someone pointed out, a good Vega presses hard and doesn’t give breathing room with his superior footsie game.
I suggest make izuna drop -10 to -20 damage, slightly faster movement speed, and neutral jump LK to be a 3 framer.
So with those buffs i can see this happening. a lot of things happening. but if they keep them, do you think Capcom is stupid enough to lower meter build up output?
And to Lax Vega’s game consisting 60% of Cosmic Heel set ups really seems, well at least to me, very (how to phrase)…Shenanigy and or gimmicky. idk why, it just seems that when you said that its specifically 60% of Vega’s game, it really struck me as odd.
Cosmic heel is AT LEAST 60% of Claws game. It’s surprises me to no end why Vega players [outside Japan] don?t abuse his amazing 50/50 game with Kara throw/Cosmic Heel. Just watch high level matches of Cat ? K (aka Arai)/Makoto or any Claw from Japan and you?ll soon realize why the skill level of Japanese Claws is easily greater than any Claw player around the world.
CH is not something to simply throw out in block strings or when you?re in range, hoping to land a hit and combo ST. It?s a tool much more useful and easily one of Vega?s best attacks.
And as far as gimmicks go… something is only a gimmick if it only works ONCE. CH/Kara throw mix up… definitely NOT a gimmick.
It just seems gimmiky to say its 60% of Vega’s game. Its a great tool, no doubt. One of his best, if not best tool, especially when you mix it up with Kara-throw, regular throw, etc. But ive noticed that against patient non button pushing people Cosmic Heel loses a lot of effectiveness, even when you mix it up with all of his diffrent set ups for landing Cosmic Heel and throw and OS throw punish. Maybe im just playing the same people to much. (All i ever use is Vega against them and we easily play 5 hours straight in endless).
i’m gimmicky lol. but that’s because of corpse hop mix up on oki. i dont see a problem with it. either i hit them low (cMK) into EX FBA, instant overhead, or throw. at best they got a 50% chance of guessing right. as far as non corpse hop… i just use CH as a poke really. pedo’s right because people who sit there and block waiting for you to do something unsafe will not fall for any of it. but… that’s where the overhead helps to come in. and if you can get them to stand up you can hit them with cMK into combo. SHC in general is almost useless… if they nerf it, it really wouldnt bother me.
like i said above… about the only thing i’d want buffed really is frame advantage so i can really lock someone down instead of getting mashed outta my missed link because every fucking thing is a 1 frame link
counter poking with the less-hefty and safer normals are as equally important as CH, cause you don’t always want to be at point blank range and -1 if you’re guessing wrong, even with the OS tech
the only problem is your only option usually is counter hit jab for easy liink into c. mp or c. mk
