Walk and block. Focus through a fireball here and there.
lol at troll advice. gouken really isn’t thaaaaaat bad unless it’s a really good player. as you know, the high fireball is the issue cause it hits hawk while he’s doing just about anything. his standing roundhouse will destroy you like guile’s backfist so if he hits you with it DON’T DO ANYTHING. Also, watch for the sweep in footsies cause it is basically gouken’s best poke and it’s crazy fast. at full screen you have nothing to worry about once you can recognize what fireball he’ll throw out so you don’t neutral jump and get hit. attempting to get in is necessarily risky. be prepared to fadc through two fireballs in a row in order to land the lp spd. After that you have to guess whether or not kongo (the counter move) is coming and make sure your safe jump timing is tight of you will eat jump back RH. Also, make sure you know which dp you can punish. lots of spd and mixup opportunities in this match and you win in footsies. you just have to be super calm the whole time.
I’m just a realist. U guys preface everything with unless it’s a good player. Duh. But unfortunately hawk loses to certain characters no matter scrub or pro. Once the Gouken figures out the proper strategy you are SOL. They don’t have to be good to do it unfortunately. Pray they mess up I guess.
Eh, I think you’re just a pessimist. Once you get through his barrage of fireballs you can bait out counters and open him up. I’ve played some good Goukens and it’s definitely a winnable matchup. If you get the life lead you can just sit at full screen and Gouken really has no way of opening you up.
Potato, potato
Sure if u get in you can do big damage quickly. And its great and not to hard a matchup when it happens. But you should never get in. And he can open you up full screen. I just don’t try to fool anyone especially myself. But to each his own. Fortunately there aren’t too many Goukens. And a lot of them play the matchup wrong.
Don’t know if this has been discussed already, but viper’s burn kicks are considered projectiles. If you want to escape or see which way she’s coming. Ex spire will blow through and eliminate guessing games.
If she does a jumping normal like j.hk she beats it clean though. So there is still ways to lose the guessing game. No cure all here. It’s good to use if they only try crossup burn kicks I guess. THawk wins this matchup. Regular spire is good in this match too.
“You should never get in” is not valid unless you are fighting Guile IMO. Gouken isn’t THAT good at zoning.
Walking and blocking isn’t “getting opened up” full screen.
fireball + demon flip = opened up full screen
Lol, implying Gouken’s demon flip is good. Jump back fierce/ex dp/u2 > demon flip.
I didn’t say it was good. I just said it’s possible. And the fireball makes you jump or puts u in blockstun so the options you said are not there. U1 is better for this matchup IMO so U2 is not an option. But I guess if you had it you could try but most likely it wiffs in the situation I mentioned. I can tell you havent played enough Goukens that know the matchup so no worries. AE should be much better for Hawk in this matchup.
I always use U2 in that matchup just to make them scared to use demon flip.
Yeah, AE Gouken will be free to Hawk. AE Juri will be more free than she already is. 
I think in AE the U2 option is probably much better since it will hit them from a larger range and lower to the ground. You do have a point that it will make them wary of doing a demon flip so I’ll try it out more and see if it helps. :tup:
I couldn’t touch Ed Ma’s Juri, but he’s sort of a one off.
What were you doing? Juri isn’t too bad of a match up (6-4 Hawk imo). Although it is Ed Ma.
There is almost nothing in the E.Honda match advice. Blanka is in there haha. Is there a way to punish Honda headbutts? Also how does Hawk fair against Rog? I’m thinking of using him instead of Blanka against good Rogs.
Rog is basically whoever gets the life lead first wins. If they are whiffing dash punches out of range whiff punish with s.hp, s.hk random TAPs, watch out for annoying ex rush punches on wake up lol.
Can’t remember, it was like the day after AE came out. He played a runaway game and when he did get in he didn’t drop combos so it was always max damage.
should you get a lp spd you should be destroying rog. hawk’s option selects can beat everything rog throws at you. pretty even and fun matchup.
I was playing Super Turbo on ggpo and watching some footage of top t hawk players like Toutanki, K and makayon yesterday and seriously, playing SSF4 hawk after this depress me a lot, how CRAPCOM make T hawk so weak on this game, hes reason of joke on this game, like a punch bag, the diferences are dramastic
ST: Godlike normals in fact, very fast, HIGH PRIORITY and the jumping jab beats almost everything in the air and is a perfect tick throw command, he in fact have a strategy on this game and have the tools to deal with it, get in the corner and start the tick trhow game correct and the oponent is the dead, is hard to reversal on this game, his DP is sick too and the Dive you can use more because is not THAT punishable.
SSF4: Yeah, his normal take a lot of damage, but they have no priority AT ALL, small hitbox, always get trade, the jumping jab is shit now, his normals are very slow, his st rh for example is very dangerous to use because he take a year to recover, there some characters like cammy and ryu can rush you out and you can do nothing, thats ridiculous and shoundt happen with a 245 inch indian, his DP suck ass now, the DIVE is very dangerous on this game, you can punish hard even with ultras, he doenst have a proper game to win for example, the tick throw is shit now and its very easy to reversal and cancel for ex, is easy to escape from the corner on this game, for example ryu can fly like a fucking pussy from the other side :amazed:
And the character himself is very slow, hes like in slowmotion, hes very fast on ST, anyway his suck ass on this game is a shame, i love the character but i think hes only good to play for fun or trolling online, sad… hes no more scare like on other sf games, i think we will never see some players like toutanki, K in ssf4 because hawk on this game doesnt have the tools to win