SSF4 AE T.Hawk Match-up Thread

keep the faith. i still use him in some matches. seth is just really dumb sometimes.

Can I get some info on the balrog vs T-hawk match

Its one of Hawks worst match ups in my opinion.

I agree and I rarely win this matchup but from what I’ve found:

You can FP the first 1/4 of the startup of his dash punch. Spacing and timing and fairly strict. Cr. lp works with that as well.
You can backdash dash punch and 360 or MP > SRK. This is really strict and is done during 3/4 of the animation. It’s easier to get away with this in the corner.
You can 360 after punch number 4 of his super.
You can focus his regular dash punch.
Once you get a knockdown harass him with crossups etc.

Don’t try to out poke him. His normals have way better startup/active frames.

in hawk v balrog i like to turtle from the very beginning. just back the fuck up like you got a fireball or something and wait for him to approach. it’s easier to defend against rog than it is to attack with hawk. be really careful with your footsies, cuz rog’s pokes are better. EX typhoon is good if you’re predicting any kind of dash punch. overall i definitely don’t think this is a bad matchup. i’d say its 5/5. just don’t be throwing out any random dives, because he can super or ultra after it’s blocked

balrog is absolutely not one of his hardest matchups. its frustrating but balrog doesnt do a shit ton of damage to hawk and needs to throw you like 10000 times to die. turtle and dont press buttons. hes FREE on wake up. no OS needed. just fuckin meaty crossup splash him. if he ex dash punches he absorbs a hit then stops and you can st.rh him for retarded damage. then you turtle and neutral jump fierce a lot. dont get frame trapped. get out of the corner and play midscreen footsies. fundamentals.

5-5

while im at it, my opinion of matchups currently.

hawks number is on the right

Ryu 6-4
Juri 4-6
Guile 7-3
Ken 5-5
Chun 6-4, maybe 5-5
Blanka 7-3
Honda 7-3
Sim 7-3
Gief 4-6
Ibuki 5-5 (nerdjosh tells me this is his least favorite match)
Abel 5-5
Rufus 5-5
Makoto 3-7
Viper 5-5
Fuerte 4-6
Dudely 4-6
Bison 5-5
Vega 5-5
Seth 6-4
Sagat 6-4
Balrog 5-5
Gouken 6-4
Cammy 5-5
Fei 5-5
Akuma 6-4
DJ 5-5
Gen 3-7
Cody 4-6
Adon 5-5
Dan 3-7
Guy 4-6
Rose 5-5
Sakura 4-6
Hakan 3-7

Hey gridman, what are some things I can do against Fuerte? I was playing casuals with a pretty decent Fuerte at my last tourney and I got blown up by him.

Neutral jumping when he doesnt have meter. Low Forwards to stop run pressure, ex360 through mk run stop pressure. Neutral throwing him on his wake up. hes pretty free on wake up. never jump back from ex runs. guess right.

Sweet, thanks. I’ll be sure to use those next time I fight that annoying ass character.

Sweet, thanks. I’ll be sure to use those next time I fight that annoying ass character.

Don’t neutral jump too much hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

I was going to bait you to neutral jump and then ultra but I forgot.

Yeah I would disagree with Gridman about neutral jumping. All he has to do is air throw you.

Obviously Fuerte can do things about neutral jumping. He can ex guac you easily too. The idea is to not be stupid about it. Its fuerte though, the character is random and there isnt really too much you can write against him besides like guess right and never jump forward because smart fuertes bait that shit all day.

Hey Gridman did you go to SB?

Nope. Ill be at NEC most likely though

hey, i’m a bison player and i’m planning to go to a tournament here in cali soon. i’m trying to identify the options every character can use to shut down the EX Psychocrusher as a getaway option on bison’s wakeup. For example, after the knockdown, ryu has jump in OS DP, chun li can downforward roundhouse and kick from behind, and she also has an OS c.hk or s.hk upon jump in.

What are hawk’s options to beat this escape option? If you are extra generous, please let me know how you option select/straight up beat EX Devil’s reverse and teleport as well :slight_smile:

i believe safe jump o-s ex dp beats ex psycho crusher but, obvi, hawk has to want to land in front of bison. i’ve beat devil’s reverse with o-s hp dp and, depending on the teleport you do, you can be dp’ed, spire’d or just not recover in time before you hit by another spd. i like the hawk bison matchup. it can be quite fun.

Os ex spire will stop infront of teleport back and you can 360 i think. it might be neutral. os ex spire goes through ex crusher and sometimes tracks/beats it.

just use Bison’s s.RH and this match is free for you. (almost)