I don’t think anyone should drop her just because her U2 is nerfed. She is a great character all around with safe normals (spacing-dependent of course), and has a good amount of tools to work with. She is pretty solid in this game.
You guys can be Rose fanboys all you want, I like the character too.
but I don’t really want to play a character that’s completely free on wakeup and lacks solid damage options.
The development team has been pretty consistent with their tweaking in that it’s one or two things, and that’s it. There’s a high chance orbs will be nerfed, and they’re do little else to the character. Essentially making her SF4 Vanilla Rose.
Which was ass.
By making the orbs have recovery, chances are they don’t pop out as fast either, which takes away some of the combos she can do. (Spark FADC orbs will probably not work).
Sure, she’ll still have the offensive options to use, but that makes it a rather gimmicky ultra. It’s flexibility and safety is what made it so good. That same flexibility also made it fun. I like using different setups for it, using the advanced combos, and doing tricks with orb spacing to make them not quite hit the opponent during drill strings.
But ultimately, the defensive utility, and the FEAR of that utility, made Rose a viable character in Matchups where she used to get beaten up for free. Without that? She immediately goes to shit tier.
It’s what makes the character fun for me. Without it, I’m just pressing buttons. No thanks.
They really have to tweak her to make EX Spiral fully invincible, make her focus attack better, her EX soul throw more invincible, her fireballs safer, her links easier, and her soul throw comboable from midscreen FP reflects in order to offset losing Safe U2.
That’s just not going to happen, folks.
what is it with people announcing that they’re ditching a character for xyz reason. how narcissitic do you have to be to think that anyone really cares what you’re playing.
Yeah, Renegade, what exactly makes you so special that we actually care that you’re ditching her? You might as well ditch her now, and start practicing someone else. Nice knowing you.
I bet the worst they’ll nerf her is getting rid of her invincibility frames. Bet on them keeping in 0 frames of start-up. These are the people who brought us 3rd Strike!
And actually if you knew what vanilla Rose was like, you’d know how much she’s been improved:
Counter-hit combos into LK spiral (used to only be able to combo into EX Spiral or Super)
Soul throw juggles off of fireballs (game winning at times)
Faster c.HP.
If you didn’t take any of these things into account, then she actually got worse because of the recovery they added to her sweep.
And I don’t know if you were following Rose’s development before Super’s release, but they actually nerfed her backdash in one of the builds so she didn’t go so far; and they didn’t leave that in. So speculate all you want, you don’t ever know until the release.
K, if you have a problem playing with her aside from getting lucky with U2, that’s your predicament. I can get wins without ever using my ultra. :rolleyes:
I didn’t want to say this, but I’m glad somebody else did.
Rose will fall alot with the ultra nerf, and no buffs.
That ultra helped her over all scariness and match ups, but capcom doesn’t want anyone to have free safe wake ups. that would have to buff recovery on sparks and buff soul throw and ex spiral.
I can’t see…So yeah she’ll fall down tiers and over all fun, while hakan/makoto/ t hawks and cody’s rise.
Considering a lot of other characters got nerfs thus far, she might not fall a lot due to the U2 nerf. However, I doubt she’ll be upper mid-tier anymore. She’ll probably end up low mid-tier, or lower, just like she was in Vanilla. We’ll have to see from her changes in AE.
We lived without U2 before.
We can live without U2 now 
Renegade has offered much more to the community than most here, and I respect and enjoy his opinion.
There are people here who play whatever character suits them best and people who form identity through choice of one character, and sometimes both. I respect those of you who will play the character no matter how bad they get nerfed, but I won’t.
It isn’t a lock that I will change characters, because I really enjoy playing Rose with or without U2. However, I’m going to keep my options open and possibly make a move based on who comes out looking really strong in AE.
no she’ll fall a good amount if U2 stays the way it was in the location tests. Because now Rose can be free on wakeup and actually has to block and/or guess right. U2 setups overall are fucked since how it is now, is a very awesome gimmick of being a frame trap and seeing just what the opponent did do to the freeze. Now things like slide into U2 become damn near useless, activating to late jump ins are useless, wakeup U2 is useless. All you really have left now is random full screen activation, knockdown activation, and a few other not so great setups. Generally she is just vanilla Rose with better reflect hitboxes, slightly faster AA normal, and nerfed piede and sweep. cr.Fierce’s hitbox is still pretty garbage considering how it should be and how often are you really sweeping with Rose to begin with? I was never a fan of wasting meter for HP reflect FADC into Soul Throw. in the corner fine, but while you got that untechable knockdown, you also just threw them out the corner.
I still plan to play her, but the way SF4 is compared to other SF games, 1 thing like this will make you pick up/drop a character if you’re trying to play seriously and win. It’s just how it is sadly.
It’s no doubt that Rose’s U2 really gave her a lot of options that she didn’t have in Vanilla. I wonder if the Capcom developers intended on giving her a really safe Ultra because of how vulnerable she was on wake-up. With the invincibility gone, or even with recovery, it’s going to make a couple of her match-ups tougher. I never really got the chance to play Rose in Vanilla until after I played Super, and I really noticed how hard it can be at times to catch someone with her Illusion Spark. From the general consensus, it’s too safe, and hence Capcom will very likely nerf it. The question is, will that be the only change that she will be receiving? Hopefully in exchange of nerfing her U2, they will buff a few or couple of her normals. It’s a wait and see game at this point.
It’s not the fact it’s “too safe”, it’s just capcom’s nerfing choices are really off. Considering U2 was supposed to help Rose out in her bad matchups greatly, giving it some frames means her bad matchups just went back to vanilla bad.
Rose didn’t need a nerf after the buffs she gained in super. If anything, she needed to be buffed a bit more along with others in the cast. Instead, capcom’s pretty much nerfing characters that either slightly need it or don’t need it at all. Whereas characters who could use a bit of nerfing or some buffing will hardly get touched. So I expect things like Makoto to receive little to no buffs and stay the same and Rufus and Chun to receive little to no nerfs and stay the same. (Chun pretty much got nerfs in spots that don’t bother her much along with Makoto getting buffs that clearly ignore some of her bigger problems.)
I don’t want to jump the gun too soon on nerfs/buffs but just going by how much was changed from the lokitests and what’s being shown in the few dev blogs, not much is going to change from what we already know/found out.
I have no problem with anyone switching characters. Do what you want, it’s your game. But don’t make a big post out of it. If you just say I’m switching or whatever (in a post not dedicated to it) then whatever. Making a huge post or thread about quitting and why you’re quitting strikes me as narcissistic. Just say you’re switching, and we just move on.
I understand the contributions he made. But I honestly don’t give a rat’s ass about WHY he’s switching. At the end of a day, he’s just another person, no better than anyone else, no need to act like it.
I’m not as narcissistic as some who don’t actually contribute anything to a site and just post trolling comments for a year.
I’m not saying it like I’m Daigo switching from Ryu or anything. It’s just if they nerf Rose to all hell, I’m dropping her competitively. This is a thread about the Arcade edition changes, I gave my opinion about them.
Characters who have more options are more fun to play to me.
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know the the move has 5 frames of startup, which are inside the ultra freeze. These frames are invincible. It has 0 frames of recovery after the Ultra Freeze, allowing you to block.
According to the Loke test reports, they added recovery AFTER the ultra freeze and possibly before the orbs even come out, allowing her to be jabbed, SRK’d, or EX SPD’d.
It’d be like a less damaging, worse version of Dhalsim’s ultra that disappears when she’s hit out of it.
My initial post, in a thread ABOUT AE changes, was 3 sentences. Certainly not a HUGE post or a new thread. People calling me out and saying I wasn’t right for dropping her led me to explain my reasoning.
I’m not even a top player by far, and in general far better at theory fighting than actually fighting.
Bottom line is, Id hate to see capcom nerf her to the point that she’s practically useless in a tournament setting.
agree, but sad 
btw is this nerf to u2 sure?
I’m not too happy without U2, I think U2 is a really useful tool.
But let’s face it, it has really really really flawed design.
I just started using Rose again and it has been a while since i’ve mained her since vanilla but…
If she loses the 5 invincibility frames for her U2 i’m pretty sure capcom will give her some boosts in some of her other normals or specials like soul throw giving that more priority on some air attacks (All though it has good priority). I actually would like if they can give rose another option to combo into her U1 instead or having to focus attack. The only other thing is that they would make her normals faster but they are already good now.
she can combo u1 with an ex spark fadc
btw if they nerf her (and for me rose is perfectly balanced like this) they will only nerf her, i’m pretty sure of this
U2 kinda deserves to be nerfed. While she does need a legit wake up option they went a little overboard with the Ultra IMO. The comboablilty can be slick and kinda technical but as a wake up option it’s a braindead tool with zero technical application or risk.
Hopefully the nerf comes with a positive tweak or two as well. We’ll find out soon.
that’s also true, but i still hope they wont nerf it 
brainless or not, rose is not this huge top tier…also with u2 she is still a mid (mid/high maybe?) tier