SSF4 AE C.Viper Match-up Thread

Seriously how the fuck do you fight Blanka?

Medium seismo or medium TK punish blocked Blanka balls
Otherwise, just play patient, bait rainbow ball, etc

He’s easily stunned if you get him in a combo.
Pretty easy to get random out by him I feel tho.

There’s quite a long write up about the match up in the first message of the thread. It’s very old but most of it still apply.

Thanks a lot, Noocta. One more: Adon. So far, this feels like her worst matchup for me. Unless I play absolutely random and rely strictly on baiting EX DP: Viper has little chance if Adon plays a solid ground game. Why that character’s specials are so safe is beyond me (strictly talking Jag Kick).

Yeah Adon is really annoying.
You’re supposed to be able to ex seismo or DP the jaguar kicks and jaguar tooth on reaction but it’s kind of hard to do.

There’s 40min of games between Latif and Isaac ( good US Adon ) on Latif’s channel. Try to watch that and get some tricks out of it.

I personally pick Yun against him because Makoto can’t make him respect shit, and I’m not quick enough with Viper for it.

Any tips vs juri? The neutral and wake up game vs her are frustrating

Can anyone give some advices about the Dhalsim match up ?
I know it’s supposed to be an easy one, but I think I play it very wrong, because I always end up chasing the Sim player all day while getting hit by air normals.

It’s not particularly an easy matchup. It is just in Viper’s favor for a couple of reasons.

  1. Viper can play lame against Sim. Seismo is so good. Fireball for Sim isn’t that great of an option because of seismo / BK coupled with his below average recovery.
  2. Random [read: unpredictable] BKs basically get Viper in for free. Outside of super combos, Sim isn’t going to be dealing a lot of damage if he hits you out of the air. BKs avoid his favorite button (HP) and MP, but generally get stuffed by MK and HK.
  3. Once Viper is “in”, she can go nuts or whatever. She hits hard and Sim only has 900 health and 900 stun. Setups and unblockables for days, in the corner especially.

Idk how to really explain without video…

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/helpmefindmymind/SimOverlay.jpg

Ignore me and watch Latif vids:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDctaJEFeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YqaEREe-wM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZofarmNl1gA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3P6--i8JQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-D8KIYtoe4

Nice, thanks you.
I actually read the first post here and there’s some good infos about the match up. I was really trying to go in too hard and rushing him down before getting a knockdown. Basically I tried to play it like I do with Makoto.
But playing defense and the seismo game seems a lot better. I need to work on remembering Viper can play zoning like that.

Any tips vs makoto and gen. I know cross up bks are very risky vs Makoto and im not sure what playstyle bto use on gen.

Any tips vs rufus the neutral game is so wacky .

Be really confident in your HP TK against Rufus.

Just saw your previous post about Mak too, i can help more about that one :

First off, there’s a dead easy unblockable against her in the corner : fThrow > dash > clMK > jump HK
She can only U2 out, and you just need to OS an HP seismo to catch her. ( HP TK to catch her on the wall MIGHT work, never tested it )

Your goal is to keep her from being mobile on the screen. Don’t throw many seismo, if any at all. She can just focus dash through them and be on your face in an instant.
Your main gameplan at neutral is to observe what she’s doing, and try to position yourself just outside her dash range. React to her dash, punish her from doing it at range you can react with either a normal or a Medium TK / EX Seismo.
The idea is to get her to play at your rhythm and not play at hers. Once you have that installed, pressure her by staying mostly on the ground, frametraps with far buttons are really good against her as her main answer to them is usually EX Command Grab.
Instant air burnkick is really good to punish her from backdashing out of your pressure, and you can usually continue pressure if she blocks it. Just do it low enough that she can’t fukiage you. Fukiage is slow, 6 frames, and isn’t low body invincible.
Throw more than usual, she has no throw invincible move, she HAS to jump or backdash. Granted she can punish you hard if she read a throw ( instant axekick into combo ) it’s a big gamble for her to jump against us if we’re pressuring.
Don’t try too many late jumps on her wake up, don’t try easy to spot safejumps either.

Can you explain a little more on the safejump situation? What can she punish with?

As for Rufus, if they like to end their block strings with the spinning tornado move, you can Ultra/HP TK reversal out as he spins. HP TK tends to trade and I believe you may be able to get an air or grounded BK follow up, not too sure though.

Just tried to do hp tk on reversal didnt work… same with ultra.

EX grab blow up safejumps if they’re deep enough, but if you fail the safejump, Fukiage can beat you.
That’s why I usually stay away from trying the fThrow dahs dash jump HK safejump.
Back throw wait a bit jump HK should be fine tho, especially if you hit for her back and you don’t do it too late.

The goal is to make her hesitate between using EX Grab thinking it’s a safejump, or fukiage thinking it’s an unsafe cross up.
There’s a timing to hit between the two but I don’t know any specifics to do it, I just do it by feel.

You have to do the ultra/ hp tk as he is doing his spin, before he finishes the move.

Noocta: cool makes sense. I’ll give it a go in training to feel out the timing for it.

Against Makoto you can do forward throw, dash, seismo feint, sj.HK. It hits just the sweet spot where fukiage is too slow and reversal ex karakusa too fast. Also flies over U1 and is unblockable in the corner. Buuuut of course this will be useless in two weeks

To anyone that’s seen that Wolfkrone vid on Elena low-profiling quite possibly every non-EX seismo tool she has, calling that matchup a 7-3 Elena until proven otherwise.

I agree

At least her teleport combo doesn’t work on Viper.

Any tips vs rolento? It’s like blanka with a stripper pole :frowning: