SSF4 AE C.Viper Match-up Thread

Any combination of light attacks is a true block string, just do two and hesitate for a split second while holding DB to allow whatever they’re mashing on to come out before going for a mix-up. You gotta let them know that there’s a FFF toll if they want to mash their way out of your pressure.

the best I think would be st.short X 2 only because even if you mess up the chaining timing its still +3 where others would be -1/-3 her st.jab is +2 but has trouble hitting crouching and small opponents. If you mess up cr.short >st short it could get ugly…

Hmmm for some reason cr.short - standing short is not a true string but c.short to stand jab is …yeah i usually w8 for people to mash reversal and punish but the main thing is i like to also have good space at the end of a tight block string. and standing short is +3 on block???

Edited: Ohh w8?! so im just doing the cshort s.short string wrong?

i dont think your doing it wrong, supposedly its chainable but I find that I get mashed out of it quite a lot especially if I cross up full screen with j.rh, sometimes the short will just straight up miss. honestly there is no reason to use c.short unless you are trolling or are looking for a move that lowers her hitbox (she has quite a lot). C.Fierce lowers hitbox too and it has a way better hitconfirm combo. C.short is really good for avoiding deejay kneeshots and hitconfirming a tk combo though.

I always do cr.lp, st.lk or st.lk, st.lk who does cr.lk, st.lk besides empty jump low which sucks

^ It has its uses one of which is in my previous post… but as a block string it sucks lol.

Every move has its uses for certain situations but I was referring to cr.lk in the sense of a block string which as you stated sucks, what other uses does it have anyway besides avoiding DJ’s up kicks & some other wake-up attacks?

you can use it to avoid deejays knee shot dive kick thing and get a combo… and avoid reversals that dont hit low like you mentioned… I also use it in some cross up situations since it lowers hitbox quicker than cr.forward of cr. fierce. Theres also trolling… its useful for trolling.

So i have a good sim who has alot of Viper Expin my pool can anyone give me a rundown of the matchup? what do i want to do? what does the sime want to do?ect. what should i not use too much? what should i look for? plz help guys i really want to do well with viper at seasons!

lost to FChamps sim in top 16… I kept doing SJ lk bk and getting punished mid screen…ill have the video up soon im still looking for tips on this MU (esp when i get the vid up) overall top 16 not bad for first tourni as cviper hope to do better soon !

The good Sim in your pool was FChamp? Lol sucks

I don’t do well against good Sims but I try to get a bar before trying to get in on him so I have the mental game of being able to EX.Seismo through his pokes hopefully making him hesitant giving me more leverage to get in, other than that it’s just making a read to get in for me or him making a mistake.

So it seems every Jumping hk setup against ryu Is HP DPable Is this true? and with that being said… Is there a way to beat out hp dp if i decide not to crossup?

back throw step forward RH cannot be beat by any shoto dp…

What I like to do off of back throw is do slight step forward and jump HK. The way I make sure I have it right most of the time is to look at Ryu’s feet and make sure the tip of my foot touches his before I jump then I do an early HK to make sure I either stuff jab DP or make strong/fierce DP whiff behind me as I land. If you’re getting DP’d it’s because you’re doing it too late.

Freesway and guys T_T im trying Im always able to auto correct hp dp every crossup RH attempt i even look at the feet and all…>.< i hate this…My hardest local comp is a ryu player…It feels shitty for me to have to respect him but not him me =[

Still in training trying different variations… everything is getting auto correct hp dped…

I played FCHAMP after i got out of my pool

May be. You need to make it whiff on the first frame by hitting him from far away. Like this:

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Although it might not be possible with Viper. You could try a set up like backthrow > wait X amount > nj.HK or something.

O yeahhhh GOOD IDEA!!!

I’ll try and post a video of how I get it to work.