hey guys, does anybody have any tips on fighting Guy? i’m pretty lost and confused in that matchup.
Check this out: SSF4 AE C.Viper Match-up Thread
I keep saying I’ll update this thread, and I never keep up to my promises. I’m truly sorry. I’ve pretty much quit SF4 for now to concentrate on UMVC3.
its cool thanks for the quick response!
Just something to add to Sakura’s matchup.
Be careful with your options on your wakeup, Sakura’s cr.lp ~ U1 beats the following
Any burning kick
Ex Seismo
Backdash
But it loses to
Wakeup U1
HP TK (Not 100% sure on this)
And Seismo feint.
that can be a suicide for sakura if viper do a hp tk feint
It also loses to hp tk feint,super(lol) and you only get 1 hit on ultra if they do ex-bk.
man, i wish i could do it. I would’ve done it over the break.
As someone who is just now picking up SF4 seriously (super late to the party I know), I would really appreciate it if this thread was redone or something. A lot of the descriptions of the matchups aren’t quite as helpful with offering tips and suggestions as other threads like the Chun-Li one. And doing things like putting it in alphabetical order would be nice. Not trying to complain or discredit the work that was done. Just saying that I’d like to see it improved.
No one is going to redo a thread cause one person asked, What more do you want anyway there is like almost 10 paragraphs for each character and I found it really helpful. Also it is in alphabetical order for the most part except for the the last two post.
If there is something else you want to know about a specific match-up just ask.
Ill give redoing this thread a shot, it will be a good excuse to go back and read/study. if anything it might be a good idea simply because supposedly we’re in the final version of ssfiv, and some of info might be slightly out of date.
I wasn’t trying to come off like “Fix it because I asked you to.” I was just saying that it could be organized in a better way and improved upon so more people can benefit from it. I just noticed that the person who made the OP said they were no longer playing SF4 actively so I figured it would be a good time to suggest updating or making a new thread. Don’t try to twist what I’m saying into some big unreasonable request where I’m complaining about how awful the thread is or something. All I’m sayin’ is that the thread has room for improvement and it would be nice if someone wanted to take on the task of working on it.
Neo: If you do that we will be extremely grateful. I know it takes a lot of time but it’s so helpful for us guys that don’t really have a lot of time on their hands.
Also thanks to everyone that ever contributed to Viper forum. Really hard character to get a grasp of. It’s not about mastering FFF or any other combo. It’s much more than that.
ON TOPIC:
Cammy frustrates me. There,I said it. Her walkspeed and normals lock me down, then he gets a knockdown and it’s pretty much over once I make 1 mistake.
Good cammys will keep me blocking normals fishing for counter hit/ throw and then go to town. The times I win, is because I manage to not get into that blocking situation by “zoning” her, dealing damage and controlling the screen, which is HARD,for me at least.
Any tip for this matchup is more than welcome. thanks!
definitely scary match for both sides, utilize the f+mp elbow and make sure your anti airs are on point. that includes jump ex canon strike.
try and hold your ground by walking forward, ready for the canon strikes. if they aren’t doing it. get in with sjc burn kick (but dont abuse, she can also use cr.mk to make it whiff) which can catch her st.hk/mk and things. or seismo confirms.
oh, and just matchup experience knowing which way to block and when you can wakeup with hp.tk etc.
all i can think of for now
I didn’t mean to attack you or make it seem like you were trying to shit on the thread so my apologies about that, I basically thought you were looking for some kind of information that wasn’t there since you said " A lot of the descriptions of the matchups aren’t quite as helpful with offering tips and suggestions" which made me go wtf there is like 10 paragraphs per character what could possibly be missing so I was just telling you that you could just ask for any information you wanted to know that isn’t there I didn’t mean to come off like a douche.
I also hate Cammy she’s way to friendly wanting to touch you all day. My goal in this match is to get a perfect lol if she touches me I know I’m gonna me blocking for like 5mins also I don’t even tech while she pressing buttons in my face since a lot of Cammys wont actually grab you they just keep doing their frame traps all day and when they finally realize they will grab you once or twice and go back to doing frame traps but guess what I’m still not gonna tech I much rather take a grab then a CH combo for like 350dmg into continued pressure thank you, if anything I’ll mash on back dash or FA back dash. AA’ing her divekicks is annoying but jump back lk or lp beats it also if she’s doing divekicks on your wake-up all the time you can do wake-up FA to absorb it and maybe hit her but I’m not sure since Vipers FA sucks I know I do it with Sakura but her FA is very good if not just back dash. Also do FA mid-screen if the Cammy is doing random drills or just trying to divekick in just to show her she can’t do that crap and she’s not gonna get to cop a feel she has to work to get to touch Viper.
I’m free to Guy anyone have any knowledge of this match? All I know is cl.mk stops his flip pressure and OS block his run that’s it.
Ah ok, sorry for misinterpreting your post. I guess I could have worded it a bit better but basically what I meant to say was that some of the matchup descriptions I read weren’t as helpful as some of the others. Like the Chun-Li thread (which I alluded to) has good descriptions for all the matchups (at least that I read) while some in this thread seemed a bit underdeveloped like the Ryu matchup description when you compare it to the Blanka one. Thanks for responding though. You have been de-doucheified in my eyes.
I see what you mean with the Ryu description being underdeveloped but I think that’s cause he’s a character you always run into so everyone should have a generally idea what to do e.g. stay generally out of mk range, you can’t pressure him that much cause he has DP, when he has 2 bars you gotta watch for dp fadc U1, and he has better normal’s. There isn’t much to Ryu he’s a basic character with no tricks.
Misinterpreting someone on the internet always happens since there is no way to tell how they’re saying something unless they use a bunch of emoticons so its understandable.
Thanks for all the answers. It makes sense, I guess I hate cammy so much I was hoping for a one fits all solution here haha. One more question?. How 'd you incorporate ex feint and hp feint in this matchup. I do ex feint on dives, but if I 'd time it early,would that leave me time to ultra the dive?
Also Guy, yeah another pain in the ass. And for the same reason as cammy I think: pressure + denies your fun.
You can’t zone him, you can’t go into the air because his normals more or less beat yours ( I had more success with MP though) or he throws you, even your bks,on reaction.
And the pressure. Have you seen cr lk’s hitbox . It’s massive and I think is a 3 framer too. So Guys will use that a lot to start their pressure. Then they will probably link it to mp into elbow if it hits, blockstring if not. Block everything. Like cammy players,they are fishing for the counter hit. Take the throw.
Try to anticipate the run during strings and hp tk that. Also try to hp bad spaced elbows. If you get it, try to keep him there with seismos.
Safe jump after knockdowns if they have meter. Guys like to ex tatsu to get out,punish hard. Land 1 or 2 good combos and he is gone.
Space your self, focus backdash,super jump back, do what you have to to put a space between you and him. This is crucial,control the pace of the match and you win.
If he jumps down mp elbow and you block don’t press buttons, there’s an space there where he can fish for counterhits. Lower your hitbox with cr mk. Stop bushin throws and crossups (they love mk) with st mk close.
Beware of cr lk “comboed” into cr hk, the slide. Forward mp that.
Be patient.
Thoughts off the top of my head,people that know better thatn me please contribute!
So I was thinking, rather than ONE matchup thread with all kinds of info jumbled together, how about we make one thread per match up, and have a central thread linking to all of them? I noticed several other character sub forums going that route. Each thread will be titled “Vs. Abel”, “Vs. Adon”, “Vs. Akuma” and so on and so forth.
I generally use hp feint if I know the timing of their jump-in or against throw/lk on my wakeup if I know their timing ie meaty vs non-meaty, ex feint I use mostly as a more lenient option than hp feint for jump-ins and that’s pretty much it. Your theory might work but I can’t confirm it since my stick is messed up otherwise I would have tested it.
Thanks for the info, I fought like 10 Guys in a row on ranked a couple days ago and they took all my points 
I remember I was going wtf when did Guy become gdlk lol. I remember one of the Guy’s I fought was doing wake-up ex.run into slide to get out of my Bk pressure and any cross-up attempts, I also think I tried to safe jump him and he still hit me with the slide so it could be similar to Rog’s ex.dash punch but I can’t test it and I’m free to pad so that’s not even an option.
I’m for it but that would kill all the other threads by pushing them down and essentially them getting lost but it’s not like their important except for maybe the General Discussion and the Unblockables threads although I’v been meaning to make a thread with all Viper’s Unblockables. Were you planning on doing it yourself or have someone else do it or maybe split the work up between a few of us? Making 39 threads and copying and pasting the info sounds tedious.
arghhh. guy has always been a random matchup for me, its the jump arcs. try and anti air the elbows/jump ins with hp.tk and sometimes they bait it successfully, so start using far.hk, then that gets eaten by that enraging air grab. especially when i dont have or want to waste ex seismo on a read to punish the bait air elbows.
about the thread. i don’t think 39 threads is worth the effort, seen it get pretty annoying in other character forums, all the info in one place is handy and there’s still info to be added, mirror match, fuerte etc. What about making threads for info that you think should be added to the relevant character sections in a new thread, then this one can get updated when Ryuga has time to. That way we get more in depth info, it’s in the same place and the viper threads arent a blur of random matchups.
Maybe we should be focusing on content rather than layout.
2 cents