SSF4 AE Akuma Match-up Thread

Rejoice, they now deal +50 stun on Scissors and can combo cr.MK off Scissors FADC. :>

So people can bitch about Akuma but I’m surprised no-one said anything about Makoto. I just bummed a Makoto for a whole round, nearly got a perfect and she did two combo’s, yes, TWO combo’s and I fucking stunned and lost thanks to her STUPID damage output. How the fuck do you approach this character? I mean a good Mak, shit ones you just spam st.hk all day and it’s all good but I mean the ones who’s pressure game is nuts. When they’re in close with the frame traps I just mash srk but then again her backdash is so GDLK. What do you do? It’s hard to zone out with fireballs because her dash is so rapid!

Actually I’ve been asking for that to be addressed for a while. You just can’t lose 55 % health off am untechable throw which has armor.Makoto is so good, but few people play her and somehow majority of people think she’s bad like in Super (where she was far from being the weakest character) or simply not good enough, which isn’t the case at all.

Anyway: for her dashes, never keep the eyes off her, and use cr.LK OS LK Tatsu when you’re sensing a dash or see she’s in range for it. That works. Also, keep her in check with cr.MK (OSing stuff like Tatsu should work here too).

Btw it’s not the dash which is scary for our fireball game, it’s her U2 which became beastly, throwing fireball is literally suicide against a Makoto with good execution/reaction.

Against top notch Makoto the pressure is insane with her normals and kara grabs. Teleporting is useless even with U2 since her EX Hayate is godlike, and if it throws you in corner you’re gonna eat a fukiage and a EX Tsurugi for massive damage/stun. Honestly, I try to save as much meter as possible and scare her with DPs, just don’t get predictable. Even going for stupid backdashes can work at times, they can’t be expecting that every time.

I hear you. I can’t do anything against Makoto as Akuma. I feel lost. I handle her fine as Juri and as Sagat, but with Akuma it’s a free win for them.

Blah im ready to give up on the Bison matchup. Hands down my own worst matchup because hes just so damn brainless. Just mix it up betweek sk, s.mk and s.hk and you are toast. Someone said that you can backdash out midscreen but I’ve been caught several times by his retarded st.hk during backdash after a blocked scissor. Meh i’ll probably check out a character that has an easier time against him first because this matchup is just plain dumb. And now he gets buffed in 2012 while we get nerfed, oh joy.

Try out Guile, Bison has always been free to him (Bison’s my secondary trust me I know lol).

BTW, I think Tokido once mentioned that he thinks this matchup is slightly in Akuma’s favor lol, I hate playing vs Bison as Akuma too.

What I do vs Bison is try to zone him out with air fireballs and try my best to make the right gusses on his wakeup depending on what escape options the bison players likes to use. Also, I do not mess with him during his st.mk and st.hk range, with my horrible footsies I get raped for pressing a button every time lol.

Vs his wakeup:

I Guess an incoming EX PC > DF dive kick in a way to fully stuff it for a full combo
Guess a teleport > OS MK DF or forward jump to fully punish him

I just don’t like hitting him with OS SRK or tatsu for example because IMO that would workout to his advantage, because he paid a small price to escape Akuma’s vortex.

Nah I don’t like charge characters too much. I’m gonna just work on the matchup with Akuma and my alts (Guy/E.ryu/Yun) and see which works out best in the end.
E.ryu is getting some nice buffs in 2012 and so is Guy so I’m hoping that those guys will fare a bit better. Yun also seems more than viable after seeing his changes so it might not be so bad.

The main problem is lack of experience against non scrubby bisons who know their offence well. Seeing my replays i end up running into a shitload of cr.lk and random scissor kicks. I will try to jump from 3/4 screen only for a stupid full screen sk to slap me out of my startup. I need more tips!

Ever since i got ae (And even back in vanilla Bison was a rare sight) the most common characters I fight are Juri’s, Ken’s, Yun’s and Guile. Bison is a rare sight and I’ve only come across 3 or 4 Bison mains in ranked so far.

I remember him mentioning he tries not to let Bison in with fireballs, but I don’t remember him saying it was a good matchup for us :S

I stand corrected, I searched for the blog post and he says that it’s an even matchup, I remember being like “WTF this isn’t even!!”, guess that’s why I thought he said it’s in our favor lol

Anyway here’s a quote of tips against Bison from the demon himself TOKIDO!:

He’s talking about his match Vs TUC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHBSsLKYA4):

Source: http://tokidoki77.blog138.fc2.com/blog-entry-8.html

Hah, it was that post! I remember it, was very helpful, wish he had done more like that :expressionless:

Yeah I really miss those, tips directly from the best Akuma player in the world was too good! He barely even posts in English on his blog anymore, it’s mostly just Japanese =(.

Man tokido makes the bison matchup look so easy.

I dunno how to describe it but his play looks so smooth and fluent compared to my own. After each attempted mixup he knows exactly what to do and how to do it depending on whether its blocked or not, plus he can keep Bison out easier than I can for some odd reason :C

How about that odd reason being it’s TOKIDO playing? lol

well seeing that he is just zoning with fireballs i question myself as to why i can’t do that!! :frowning:

somebody please tell me how to o/s late sweep?late press or what?THANKS

somebody please tell me how to o/s late sweep?late press or what?THANKS

I have still yet been able to beat a single Cody player online with Akuma. I’ve read the “tips” in the matchup section, but it feels like that’s for day one Cody or something. He gets in way too easily, and it seems like he can simply mash jab for a counter hit if you stick out anything at all, and then go for a 30% - 40% combo for free. Two of those and you’re dizzy and it seems practically impossible to keep him off of you. Sure, his wakeup game may suck, but you aren’t going to do as much damage to him off of one untechable that he seems to be able to do at any point to you. I also watched many of the latest Akuma vs Cody videos, and even Tokido gets thrashed by him each round.

LoyalSol, if you’re reading this, two things.

  1. GGs

  2. Fuck your U2 bullshit LOL that kept me from demoning those teleports.

Most of the games, I kept going for risky shit, and I kept wondering why my fucking MP.DP wouldn’t autocorrect for me.

But like I said, good games, nonetheless. Akuma mirrors are okay at times.

Heh I’ve been starting to use U2 because it is harder to get randomed out in the mirror match. The most people can usually get is a sweep so you can only lose about 90 health instead of 500. That and I feel like with U2 in that match up you can do most of the things you can do many of the same things you can with U1. I am just starting to think for the mirror match it is a better Ultra.

The funny part is everyone forgets you have it till they try to demon your teleport for the first time. Even Toxy did that when I played him. Everyone just sees those flames and wants to chase it so badly. :slight_smile:

PS: You might want to work on your cross up fireball. Was really easy to block.

I flub alot of crossup fireballs cuz I’m dumb online. Plus, I was eating alot of your fs.RH cuz I wasn’t adapting at all.

I just gotta tighten up shit, I guess.