The people in Europe must be playing some really bad Ryus and Kens
Is Blanka / T. Hawk really 8-2 Blanka?
I mean I can totally understand why it’s bad for T. Hawk, but I never envisioned it would be THAT bad. It makes sense, but really? An 8-2 matchup? That’s pretty rough.
Hawk has literally no way to pressure Blanka. Blanka can get out of everything for free essentially. No consistent punish for balls, and a huge hurtbox so all of Blanka’s shenanigans work on him. Hawk literally has nothing in his favor in this match.
I’m also perplexed by this. Any matchup where Abel’s cl. st. HP whiffs if the opponent is crouching is a suboptimal matchup for Abel, which is around like… hmm, more than a third of the cast or something. There are ways around it, don’t get me wrong, but it’s still a pain. Further, his roll vortex is easily blown up by reversals and doesn’t compare to some of the other vortexes in the game. Any player using a character with decent normals can keep Abel out and make him lose a bunch of his health before he can get in.
So yeah, the way the charts are made is kind of misleading.
Abel is gdlk, tier list doesn’t lie. His whole “win a round with 3-4 guesses” game is still good. He just losses to top tier characters, which makes his tournament viability questionable. But if your character isn’t in the top 10, chances are that Abel BODIES you, hard. That’s why he’s high on the list, not because of tournament viability, but raw match up numbers.
I still think he’s still viable in our current tournament setting though, just as long as you don’t run into Cammy, lol
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Also, a reason why people are dropping Abel from their tier lists is that there is tons of anti-Abel tech… And i mean TONS. It does prevent Abel players from herp-a-derping their way to victory anymore, but it doesn’t kill off the character completely. While the anti-Abel shit has been popping up, the character has been evolving, tremendously, so that evens out the playing field.
You can blame the fact that Abel hasn’t placed in a major in quite a while entirely on Ricky/Justin. Those dudes are assholes and own my soul for free xD
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Could you direct me towards this anti-Abel tech, good sir?
I think they are the reasons most characters haven’t won a major.
I dunno what the anti Abel-tech is, but it seems like Abel’s a victim of lack of representation. There weren’t that many people repping him to begin with, and then after AE many of them switched to Makoto, who seems to be able to do the same things but better.
You don’t want to shenanigan hawk, that just leads to you getting hit by a command grab and that means you actually have a greater chance of losing. You do get some bonus stuff on him like fuzzy guard setups, and upball being a zoning tool against him(lol), but in general you play him straight up.
Blanka can just outsolid hawk so hard that it isn’t really a matchup, it’s more can hawk make a bunch of amazing reads while blanka falls into a lazymode pattern.
I play hungbee a lot, it’s a legit 8-2
Bison Guile is a lot the same way. Guile just has to throw booms and hit Bison for trying to get around them. Bison’s normal anti-projectile moves don’t work well against Guile.
ehm abel vs gen is good for abel, oh wait Gen is mid tier, moving on now
Gouken is mid if you master him only He’s like Sim. Play perfect or you can lose bc they both don’t have a solid wake up.
last time I checked half the cast dont have a solid wake up eg, E Honda, Guile, Cody, Gen, Dudley, Oni, Yun, Yang, Zangief, Viper, Chun Li, nobody is perfect so there is no perfect play, you just have to try to make good choices and minimize the bad ones. and besides everyone has a “bad” wake up until they stock up on 2 ex bars lol!, besides all things are punishable bro you just have to anticipate. The day the FGC will stop giving excuse and man up and do something about the downsides of their characters the better for all of us. If your character has bad wakeup learn how to block or choose a character that has a great wakeup and start winning. now Oni is considered dead tier until one murda fucka goes ballistic with him and then we will have the Oni train and the haters
last time I checked half the cast dont have a solid wake up eg, E Honda, Guile, Cody, Gen, Dudley, Oni, Yun, Yang, Zangief, Viper, Chun Li, nobody is perfect so there is no perfect play, you just have to try to make good choices and minimize the bad ones. and besides everyone has a “bad” wake up until they stock up on 2 ex bars lol!, besides all things are punishable bro you just have to anticipate. The day the FGC will stop giving excuse and man up and do something about the downsides of their characters the better for all of us. If your character has bad wakeup learn how to block or choose a character that has a great wakeup and start winning. now Oni is considered dead tier until one murda fucka goes ballistic with him and then we will have the Oni train and the haters
I main Gouken is Blocking is the best wake up lol
ONI is under rated his fireball game is pretty good
what exactly is there to discuss, there is alot of data that is not available there at the moment, maybe in the future there will be something to throw some salt over
I like this idea but there isn’t enough data we can use. I doubt Evil Ryu vs Ken is an 2-8 match up for example.
I did notice that Evil Ryu vs others is considerably higher than Fei Long, Cammy and Ibuki though.
Not to nitpick or anything? But most of the characters you listed have fairly decent to good wakeups.