For January I think we might want to reconsider some more matches like Ryu and Akuma to 5-5. Also Sakura, She is easily our most over rated character and according to what Uryo has said she has several even match ups which contradicts our list
Also I recall when I said Ken vs Sakura was in his favor and settled for even. Skatan said she has a slight advantage, Uryo says Ken has a slight advantage. I would wager Uryo is playing better Ken players in Japan.
Also I think Capcom trolled us by making the strongest character in the game (Akuma) the worst character in the game in his stronger form (Oni)
I feel Sakura’s actual placement is about right, maybe only 1-2 spots off. I do disagree with a few of her MUs myself, but she’s one of the better placed characters I think.
Sakura is placed about right. she just has the same tournament issues as Honda. beats borderline irrelevant people like juri, hawk, hakan… loses to shotos.
edit: and her worst matchup being guile is particularly relevant, since one of the best sakuras in the states consistently runs into the best guile on earth.
Shes a great character capable of being “considered” top ten, but her final numbers (after we get more input) do not support that spot shes in. Unless everyone else also drops. If we change one of those 6-4 to 4.5-5.5 (Vega according to Uryo) she will go from 10th to like 17th
See what Uryo had to say about Juri? I also play Juri, my roomate is a Juri main and the Sakura match up is not that bad, its barely in Sakuras favor and I’m sure Uryo is also playing better Juri players as well. Outside of Japan there is only one or two Juris that are actually competitive.
yeah sorry about my American bias. you’re right, Japanese juris are both more numerous and better. but that being said, one guy’s list is hardly gospel. didn’t dieminion say guile had like 2 winning matchups?
Hey guys, can someone help me clear up certain concepts?
I’ve seen in this thread, and read and heard in other places, that Yun is “easy to play/learn.” Where did this conception come from? Why is he viewed this way?
Also, can someone explain why Dee Jay’s wakeup is considered poor? Is there a flaw in his upkicks/EX upkicks that I am not seeing?
Yun: the conception came form AE, when yun was a powerhouse - very strong (many considered him broken) and he was quite easy to learn/play.
Now he is no longer that strong, but about being easy - I don’t know. What I heard is that his combos aren’t that difficult.
Dee Jay: yes there are 2 things about upkicks:
they don’t hit crouching characters
they are not fadcable
these 2 makes them a very risky option on wakeup.
Cody is high tech version of Rock Em Sock Em Robots if the opponent doesn’t have an invincible reversal or teleport it just comes down to whoever can start the frame trap game first lol.
I main Yun and I would say he’s not all that difficult to pick up. His excecution and OS is easy. I just think he’s harder to win with consistently compared to cammy etc. because the risk/damage output is worse. He has some horrible match ups as well (t.hawk, boxer).
Ook, while we officially finnished the tier list, I still recently received some more input from 2 top players. While they are kinda late, is still valuable input.
So, both Gagapa and Hiro sent me their numbers for Bison - now we have match up lists for Bison from Gagapa, Hiro and Happy Medicine :). Unfortunatelly they only gave me the numbers, but…
M.Bison:
Hiro’s numbers:
[details=Spoiler]
Abel: 5.5/4.5
Adon: 6-4
Akuma: 5/5
Balrog (Boxer): 5/5
Blanka: 5/5
C. Viper: 6-4
Cammy: 4-6
Chun Li: 5/5
Cody: 5.5/4.5
Dan: 6-4
Dee Jay: 5/5
Dhalsim: 5/5
Dudley: 6-4
E. Honda: 4-6
El Fuerte: 6-4
Evil Ryu: 6-4
Fei Long: 5/5
Gen: 6-4
Gouken: 6-4
Guile: 3-7
Guy: 6-4
Hakan: 6-4
Ibuki: 6-4
Juri: 6-4
Ken: 5/5
Makoto: 6-4
Oni: 6-4
Rose: 6.5/3.5
Rufus: 5/5
Ryu: 5/5
Sagat: 5.5/4.5
Sakura: 6-4
Seth: 5/5
T. Hawk: 5.5/4.5
Vega (Claw): 5/5
Yang: 6-4
Yun: 4-6
Zangief: 4.5/5.5 [/details]
Gagapa’s numbers:
[details=Spoiler]
Abel: 5.5-4.5
Adon: 6-4
Akuma: 5.5-4.5
Balrog (Boxer): 5-5
Blanka: 6-4
C. Viper: 5.5-4.5
Cammy: 4-6
Chun Li: 4-6
Cody: 5.5-4.5
Dan: 6-4
Dee Jay: 4-6
Dhalsim: 5.5-4.5
Dudley: 6-4
E. Honda: 4-6
El Fuerte: 5-5
Evil Ryu: 5.5-4.5
Fei Long: 4-6
Gen: 5-5
Gouken: 4-6
Guile: 3-7
Guy: 6-4
Hakan: 5.5-4.5
Ibuki: 6-4
Juri: 5-5
Ken: 5.5-4.5
Makoto: 5-5
Oni: 5-5
Rose: 5-5
Rufus: 5.5-4.5
Ryu: 5.5-4.5
Sagat: 5.5-4.5
Sakura: 5-5
Seth: 5-5
T. Hawk: 6-4
Vega (Claw): 6-4
Yang: 4.5-5.5
Yun: 4-6
Zangief: 4-6
So, for me, all shotos are easy for bison: ryu, ken, gouki, sagat because of umblockables, ex throught fireball and poke, no sakura because she can easy break ex psycho with tatsu and his combo are very high damage
for me, bad matchups are: chunli, zangief, honda, guile, deejay, yun, yang, gouken, fei long, cammy, but, i always win against honda and zangief matchup. [/details]
And Happy Medicine ones:
[details=Spoiler]
Abel: 6.5-3.5
Adon: 5.5-4.5
Akuma: 4.5-5-5
Balrog (Boxer): 5-5
Blanka: 6-4
C. Viper: 4.5-5.5
Cammy: 4-6
Chun Li: 5-5
Cody: 5-5
Dan: 7-3
Dee Jay: 4.5-5.5
Dhalsim: 4.5-5.5
Dudley: 6-4
E. Honda: 3.5-6.5
El Fuerte: 6-4
Evil Ryu: 5-5
Fei Long: 4.5-5.5
Gen: 5-5
Gouken: 6-4
Guile: 2-8
Guy: 6-4
Hakan: 6-4
Ibuki: 5.5.-4.5
Juri: 5-5
Ken: 5-5
Makoto: 4.5-5.5
Oni: 6-4
Rose: 6-4
Rufus: 4.5-5.5
Ryu: 5-5
Sagat: 5-5
Sakura: 4.5-5.5
Seth: 4.5-5.5
T. Hawk: 4-6
Vega (Claw): 5-5
Yang: 4.5-5.5
Yun: 4-6
Zangief: 4-6 [/details]
We now have the numbers for Bison form 3 top bison players - they all differ from each other, and from our tier list :razzy:. I will check the arguments for Bison matches and post some more indepth explanations.
