Taking in mind this was casuals and Uryo had to leave pretty quick, but he still lost.
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If I had to guesstimate MU numbers based on how Uryo phrased it…
Ryu 5
Ken 4.5
Chun 4.5
Honda 5
Blanka 5
Zangief 5
Guile 4
Dhalsim 4
Balrog 5
Vega 5
Sagat 6
Bison 4
Viper 3.5 or 3
Rufus 6
Fuerte 6
Abel 5.5
Akuma 3.5 or 3
Cammy 4.5 or 4
Fei 4
DJ 5.5
Hawk 6
Rose 4
Dan 5.5
Guy 6
Cody 5.5
Makoto 6/4.5 (depends on the ultra)
Dudley 6
Adon 4 or 3.5
Hakan 6?
Juri 5.5
Yun 4
Yang 5.5
E.Ryu 5.5
Oni 5 or 5.5
Again, this is only my best guess based on what he said/how he said it, and how we’ve been treating MU numbers so far. He didn’t use numbers at all, and just talked in terms of slight or solid advantage/disadvantage.
akuma has an unblockable on sakura? i missed that. lol and im just about to fight a sakura
Sure is a lot of use of “never.”
Oh, well then.
Frankly almost all of her jumping hitboxes are insanely good while also being fast and having decent amount of active frames.
Man Cody has huge hurtboxes.
Hmm, it seems Uryo doesn’t think much of Sakura - quite a few bad matches, including some 3-7 ones.
Regarding Sakura, I talked with DBJoseph - I finally found his id. I said he will get back to me with his thoughts on Sakura matches, so hopefully we will have something more to discuss.
And about Oni - if you guys agree, I think we should do some small changes to his matches, after Metalmusicman input:
- Balrog: 5-5 to 4-6 - both mmm and 3nigmatic agree with this change, so I think this one is simple.
- Cammy: 6-4 to 5-5: ok, it seems most people don’t think Oni beats cammy, so making it 5-5 is fair.
- Ibuki: 6-4 to 5-5.
- M. Bison: 4-6 to 3-7
- Hawk: 5-5 to 4-6 - both mmm and Blueblazer think this match is in hawk’s favour.
- Vega: 5-5 to 4-6
If anybody else has thoughts, disagreements, etc on these matches…
If you can somehow get in contact with HumanBomb that would be nice, he has a very high opinion on Sakura I believe and could probably go into more depth.
So 164.5… which means Oni is the worst character in the game.
I don’t think without legit Oni mains of which there are Combofiend and that’s it there’ll ever be useable input on that guys matches.
I have no idea whether the Juri matchup is 6-4, 5-5, 3-7 against him or whatever, so I can’t exactly disagree with the noted 5-5, but also wouldn’t disagree if anything else was there.
Well I would be fine with Adon’s RH being one hit. He already has a million ways to break armor anyway.
Someone want to explain this more? DP beats condor dive if you want to react, condor spire as well (i think). If you dont want to react, he can punish condor dive on block with forward fierce (and it seriously does hurt). He can also play a pretty good game of keep away with his air dashes and his fireballs at certain spaces. At close ranges, if the Oni is good (meaning he won’t drop it) easy TC into tatsu for a knockdown and then run away again, and Oni does pretty good damage on his combos as it is.
Hawks favor? Arguable even or in Oni’s favor at least. Hawk should have a hard time. his swipe gimmick isn’t his only tool.
being able to stuff condor dive is practically irrelevant and condor spire might as well not exist half the time
if all oni can do is punish with a forward fierce than he is shit out of luck but chances are he can punish with something involving tatsu anyway
not being able to fadc your dp on block probably means hawk can go to town if he gets in too
i don’t know either character too well but it’s hardly arguable with what you’ve presented
Any blocked slash from Oni is free SPD from Hawk. Being unable to FADC his upperflcut means Oni has to commit to getting Hawk off him. Oni can play a ganky zoning game vs Hawk but his fireball not going full screen means Hawk can just sit and whiff SPDs to build meter. Hawk also has some pretty decent pokes to throw out from midrange as well.
This one is pretty solidly in Hawks favor in my opinion. I play a fairly decent Hawk and I have never had problems dealing with Oni.
So aside from slash, and other specials - no normals (in oni’s case) tide this in his favor?
Not arguing otherwise at this point, thanks to that other info - but i would like the match-up knowledge. There was a recent 5v5 in japan with and all oni team apparently, against a team with both a T.Hawk and a Zangief haven’t watched it yet. Would help knowing if and why the Oni players lost that one.
edit: going to training room to test out some scenarios and options to see if i can produce some legit information for these two.
^^ ganky?
I mean all for information from better players and all, but this is a discussion thread and im not sure if we’ve seen enough Oni to seriously knock him down in some matchups.
By “ganky” I meant barely effective and can be made up for really quickly once Hawk gets in.
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Vulpes, Shinochan and Wao of Japan are legit Oni’s…excellent high level players.
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In the Oni forums, someone quoted Daigo as calling Oni the worst character in the game.
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I guess Dan can celebrate if those numbers are true, then he is no longer the joke of Street fighter.
I know that but most of the things the guy used were just obvious lag mix-ups. His ground game consisted of mostly just standing there until he figured was a good time to jump.
Pretty much…it seems Dan is no longer the worst char.
We do what we can. Untill the day I’m able to contact Combofiend…