dude you my man but seriously get help with the matchups for ae 2012 because we know you have a life and what not… but the rest of us who come here looking for answers suffer when 1/2 of the matchups in the section arent finished. Or upto par. Appreciate everything you do but don’t be ashamed to divide up some responsibilities. The entire Gen community depends on it. As far as us pming you EVERY Gen tip in the world allow me to be blunt… Post that shit in the matchup thread asap man. ASAP. Thank you.
There is a reason why I’ll be doing a lot of them… Stay tuned.
rose IMO largely boils down to knowing the range on slide and whiff punishing it
And not pressing buttons when you shouldn’t be. Also a lot of people forget that a LOT of rose players use non-true block strings when it comes to Soul Spiral. EX Gekrio, Super, Ultra takes care of that.
ex soul spiral doesnt beatout ex gekiro?
not if you time it right. If you do it too soon then yes. but if you time it right or just as she’s about to hit you, you’ll win. I wouldn’t super as you’ll travel through her. LK is unsafe on block its -8, MK is -6, HK is the only safe one at -4, EX is -8. So just block and super. They will go between different versions, but if they do the safest one on block, the time between c.MP and HK Soul Spiral you can super, ultra, EX Gekiro. So you really need to watch how they play. If you notice you are getting counter hit a lot, they are using MK or HK version. You can punish those ones as they aren’t true block strings. LK and EX are. But you usually don’t see EX if they hit confirm, and they mainly use EX after a blocked regular Soul Spiral.
i just saw mike ross and gooteks talked about the changes that honda, blanka, boxer and rose … buff of headbut damages and blanka balls damages honda tools … CAPCOM ARE YIU SERIOUS … AE WAS FINE EXCEPT FEI LOG AND THE TWINS … OMG
lol, assuming you’re not trolling. The only game changers are maybe Blanka (maybe). Rolls is having a couple of fundamental changes that might affect characters ability to punish as that’s always been a big issue in that match imo, if you can’t punish blanka ball, you have trouble in that matchup. Boxer’s headbutt damage just means that you should play it like always and not get hit with headbutt, 22f of grounded recovery withstanding, Gen can inflect more damage and have better setups after blocking a headbutt than balrog, period. Rose is still the same, 5f startup is still a non-invincible 5f startup :[, Rose still has no viable reversals.
All in all, most changes don’t mean much overall, very few characters had fundamental changes. Cody probably got the biggest changes, with the 3f short in AE, and increased walk speed in 2012.
hello bro … i know how to play against most of what i mentioned but, those characters are really hard o play against … turtles + high damages … well time i guess will show us !!! i hate SSF4 coz Gen was really bad there and now am just dont wanna see Gen as SSF4 coz of the all cast buffs any way will see soon !
turtle just as hard. They can’t jump at you, and if they do full screen ball or headbutt punish it. If they are light versions use your pokes.
the thing i was just wanna from capcom is more stamina just move Gen from 900 to 950 thats it !! Gen will appeare in tournaments alot … any way am loyal to my character what will happen to Gen i will always love to play him 
Personally I think he’s fine where he is. And isn’t this more of a General conversation topic?
so since HK upkick is the only untechable knockdown has the hitbox been changed at all? i dont see too many situation in battle where people will jump in at such an odd angle that it wont trade or be stuffed. I personally dont bother with it much
what about linking fierce into hk gekiro? I’m more excited to play around with ex oga and roll combos
Fierce into hk gekiro works on many more characters, yes
Updating some random Character specific details.
If anyone notices anything missing or incorrect please pm me and let me know what to change. Sometimes are possible but maybe really hard to do. Example Crane c.LK, Mantis U1. Some characters it does work mid screen but the timing is ridiculous.
ELF and Honda Updated.
EDIT: Abel, Adon, Akuma, Boxer, Blanka & C.Viper updated.
I found an unblockable with Gen’s HK Gekiro and unteched LK/MK/EX Gekiro on standing shoto and Bison. I haven’t tested it on many characters, but it definitely worked on the battery of shotos and bison. The unblockable is: Gekiro > crane c.hk > MK Oga to wall behind opponent.
Also, to touch up on HK gekiro, I’ve been confirming it with s.lp > s.hp off of jump in and crossup. On block, I do s.lp > s.mp > pause > c.mp hands, and on hit … Well, you know.
I’ll give this some more tests later. I would really appreciate it if someone here could give me a direct link to where crossup ultra setups are. I know this type of this is frowned upon, but I am on an extremely slow computer that can barely handle one SRK tab, and I looked around a bit. I tried to find some on my own but they were inconsistent with unforgiving loose timings.
Thanks for the info!
The setup is heavily height dependent. Actually, I wrote about similar setups in Shenanigans thread.
[details=Spoiler]= HK Gekiro finish setups =
- Unblockables-
Rufus: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle high (unblockable)
Fei Long: TC2 xx LK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med without tech (unblockable if kicking leg overlaps his neck)
Ryu: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med without tech (unblockable if his head is located a pixel below Gen’s head)
Ken: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med without tech (unblockable if his head is located a pixel below Gen’s head)
Evil Ryu: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med without tech (unblockable if his head is located a pixel above Gen’s head)
Oni: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med without tech (unblockable if his head is located a pixel above Gen’s head)
Hakan: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med without tech (unblockable if Gen’s kicking foot is concealed by Hakan’s shoulder)
Seth: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle high without tech (unblockable if Gen kicks right below his knee joint)
Blanka: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - LK Oga - juggle high without tech (unblockable if Gen kicks his ass)
Guy: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low without tech (unblockable if Gen’s kicking leg conceals Guy’s face, but not hair)
Gief: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - MK Oga - juggle med-high gekiro (unblockable if your finishing kick is kicking his elbow or a bit above. Timing is pretty lenient)
T.Hawk: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high gekiro (unblockable, same as LK gekiro, launch him high up to the sky)
Juri: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle low-med gekiro (unblockable if only the lower half of her face + neck overlaps with your kicking leg. Her upper half of the face is still visible)
Ibuki:
Ibuki: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - LK Oga - juggle high gekiro (unblockable if done as high as possible)
Makoto: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med gekiro (unblockable if Makoto’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head)
Dudley: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med-high gekiro (unblockable if you kick his ass)
Viper: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle wherever you damn want gekiro (unblockable. Lenient. Just kick anywhere between her neck and the midsection)
Akuma1: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (Akuma’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head, or slightly below)
Sakura: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (Sakura’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head, or a pixel below)
- Simple cross-up, no unblockable possible -
Sagat: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - MK Oga - juggle high
Dan: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high (kick his foot)
Boxer: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med-high (his head is slightly above Gen’s head)
Gouken: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high
Guile: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high
Chun-Li: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med-high
Rose: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high
Cody: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high
Adon: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med-high
Fuerte: TC1 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - LK Oga - juggle med-high
- Shits with tight timing&spacing -
Abel1: TC2 xx LK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle high without tech (as high as possible, when in doubt, walk back a little before Oga)
Abel2:/ st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med without tech (his head is on level with Gen’s head)
Dhalsim1: TC2 xx LK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle high without tech (as high as possible, when in doubt, walk back a little Oga. Same kick timing as Abel)
Dhalsim2: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low without tech (unblockable when his neck is right on Gen’s kicking leg’s knee)
Claw: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med-high without tech (unblockable when Gen’s ankle is kicking his elbow. Really tight timing on wake-up)
Dictator: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med-high without tech (unblockable when Gen’s feet is kicking the space right above his belt; his head is slightly higher than Gen’s head. Tight spacing.)
Akuma2: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high (unblockable if you do it as high as possible, windows is pretty small, but not that tight)
Cammy: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med-high (cross-up it you hit her in the palm)
Honda: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (cross-up if Honda’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head)
Yun: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (cross-up if Yun’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head)
Yang: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (cross-up if Yang’s head is exactly on level with Gen’s head)
No setup
Gen: No setup, period.
Dee Jay: No normal can combo into HK Gekiro.[/details]
Cross-up Ultra setups are currently in Shenanigans thread. I think page 5 or 6.
there is simpler than the one you mentioned … it just hk Gekiro > lk oga on them wake up … work on bison - shotos others i need to test it … any way good find though