SRK Training Team (XBL)

pedoviejo · October 24, 2009, 5:39am

hey im in for this, but wont be home till 3 that ok?

KiLLaKeLLy · October 24, 2009, 5:40am

Kyarisan, if there is still room, let me in, i want to play in this. lata

kyarisan · October 24, 2009, 5:56am

For those of you asking about times, just click here. When tomorrow starts, find the other people that are in this list, and challenge them to a first to three. Then send me the results.

Again, it would also help if you guys could communicate in the IRC chat to get this set up smoothly, so if you can, try getting in there for a while.

EDIT: Sorry viejo and kelly, there are already 5 people… there will be another one soon after this though. If you catch my post in this thread opening the invitation, just quickly post in here to make sure you’re added in time.

kyarisan · October 24, 2009, 7:31am

The 5 competitors have been chosen. They are:

Arbie21
asiantom
Ryboy
Luken27
Kyroc4ever

If any of you cannot make it tomorrow, or if something comes up, post in this thread and I will try to find others to replace you. But please try to make it, I want to do more of these in the future and possibly add more participants in subsequent events if it gains any popularity.

asiantom · October 24, 2009, 9:37am

I’ll have most of the day to do this! I’ll be looking for you guys

kyarisan · October 24, 2009, 9:44am

Yes and yes. Also, when I would throw you out of your crossup tatsu your spacing/timing was off. I recommend working on it thoroughly as you need all the tactics Akuma has to offer in order to beat a good Ryu. Your regular crossups a lot of the times were jf. LK’s, and those are notorious for being hard to land correctly. Just remember that this can be whiffed easily and punished with throw, or worse… so if your opponent seems to always trip you up on this, try not using it so much. jf. LK will leave you at -3 on whiff. You should study frame data sometime if you don’t already.

Also as you can see Akuma’s ultra gets stuffed by crossup tatsu easily, so if you see me jumping in at you on wakeup its definitely not a good idea to try it, lol.

Next time we play we should do Akuma dittos I also use Chun, and Bison/Ken/ some others on the side, if you want to challenge those.

NervousTwitchyGuy · October 24, 2009, 10:12am

XBL Gamertag: CSOG
Location: Mexico
Headset: Yes, but my English sucks
Record Matches: No
Dedication: Want to improve, be a better player overall and learn other characters besides Ryu.
Characters: Ryu (I’d like to learn others in the future)
Strengths: Somewhat decent execution and basic understanding of the game.
Weaknesses: Miss a lot of FADCs, links, tech throws, crossups.
Characters Good VS: Depends more on the player than the character he/she is using.
Characters Bad VS: Same as above.
What I Need to Practice: FADC, links, tech throws, crossups and more

Seems like I am late for tomorrows round robin, but if anyone wants to have a match to warm up for the event, I’m in! :tup:

Arbie21 · October 24, 2009, 8:01pm

bahn:

Bahn vs. DaMoney 21

Of all your characters, I would say that you showed the most potential using Rufus. Ryu and Viper are handled way too recklessly and got the impression that your whole tactics are all reactionary. There were many situations where you instantly saw the need to do a wakeup move each time you were knocked down, which is a very bad habit you want to eliminate.

Ryu should almost never use low rh unless you know it’s a guaranteed hit. Characters like Chun can punish this move easily when it’s whiffed. Viper is most effective doing rushdown (which you seemed to have figured out in one or two rounds using the thunder knuckle, but you had difficulty maintaining the momentum). Balrog showed promise too, but you were guessing often with headbutt in the hopes to get a free Ultra opportunity (which when you were successful, you always were consistent in executing).

To be frank, I think that it’s imperative you clean up your gameplay as you have developed a series of bad habits which I assume you considered effective from playing people who are actually less skilled than you. It’s a painful reality to face thinking your tactics are solid only to come across someone better than you (yes, I am speaking from personal experience) and they turn your battle plans upside down.

In summary:

Strive to be more patient

Don’t feel the need to instantly get back on the offensive after knockdown

Don’t get into the false hopes the jab x2 -> tick grabs will work (offline)

Use more of your normal moves and develop solid ground/aerial tactics; don’t just depend on one or two buttons as a guarantee.

Play to win (try to avoid doing sloppy things like jumping around a lot or liberally whiffing attacks).

Until next time!

ok,no excuse i played hella sloppy. i was in a rut yesterday and i swear im better than that. I want to play you again, if you don’t mind. I will post feedback for you after another set, because i feel i would do better, it would be inaccurate if i posted feesback when i wasnt playing my game, so if you would play me again

ABOUT THE ROUND ROBIN
I will be on for a couple more hours but later today i will be around for sure. So people in this today add me if i havent added you yet and we will get some matches in

asiantom · October 24, 2009, 11:22pm

Hey, sorry. For some reasonI thought the round robin was going to be earlier! But I’m playing some friends locally tonight so I won’t be around.

NervousTwitchyGuy · October 25, 2009, 12:26am

“EyeLoveSF4” Feedback

Good matches man, was pretty close. :tup:

You have a very solid Guile, when you got the momentum you rushed me pretty good in the corner and seems like you have your combos right. You got me several times with your crossups and tick throws also. With Ryu you landed your hit confirm combos very well.

I think sometimes you got very predictable with your jump-ins, I was able to AA you several times but I think a better player could punish you much more for those jumps because I missed several SRK->FADC->ultra opportunities there. Also you whiffed some flashkicks. I think the same applies to your Ryu, you got predictable with your jumps.

I don’t remember you using Ryu’s forward + mp overhead at all, so I think you should try to throw more of those once in a while to get your opponent off balance.

System_1 · October 25, 2009, 12:39am

Vs. DaMoney(C. Viper/Rog)

I wish you would have given me at least an FT5 to work with. After a warmup and a few rounds of my main you left to play Trial mode, I guess there was something you didn’t like about my play.:sad:
**
Balrog**

I wasn’t playing my best those matches, I have a real hard time with the mirror match so I do a lot of experimenting when I see it. I can tell you a few things I know you were doing wrong though.

A couple of general tips:
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[*]Don’t headbutt unless it’s going to hit. Use it as an AA or inside of combos. Often, if you want to punish with it, you have to chain it to a light or medium punch.

[*]When you headbutt>ultra near a corner, if you hit the ultra early and your opponent is higher than your shoulders, let two straight punches come out then make the rest uppercuts. That way you wont knock them over your back after the second hit.
[/LIST]

A mirror specific:
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[*]Don’t joust with Balrogs. Keep the rush punches outside of combos to a minimum. Bait your opponent into using unsafe punches then punish with a jab>headbutt or grab.
[/LIST]

Sorry, I can’t give you any advice on Viper. I have no idea what she does.

kyarisan · October 25, 2009, 3:36am

To the people in the round robin, you need to find your opponents and play against them. I’m not sure what you expect me to do.

pedoviejo · October 25, 2009, 4:10am

I OMFG its Jr I (Vega) - vs - OOkillakellyOO (Gouken/Fei Long)

KiLLaKeLLy:

**What an enjoyable/slightly annoying time. Im surprised i actually had a fun time, i have a personal distaste for vega, from my short lived cvs2 days. I just find him annoying and he comes off as random to me even though i know he isnt. but here is what i got from our games.

against my fei long. I really dont know this match-up too well, ive been on fei for about a month and have fought very few vegas. I know how to punish things but thas about it. you did a good job of baiting my Fks, partly cause i love doing em so much since gouken has no DP move whatsoever, and just overall punishing my mistakes. Your pokes were good as well and your spacing was top notch too. it looked like you had some fei experience cuase when you would do the df+hk move you would not try to throw me, like not even once. instead most of the time you jumped, i would have punished each one but my reaction is time is still a little slow, or blocked , safer. also, you didnt doo any of vegas non-ex crossover wall jumps where he does the punch move. maybe cause you know its heavily punishable by fei? idk. but that was good too. also, during my block strings and attempts to combo i noticed you were trying to find gaps in my stings with your own pokes. That worked good for you as well, for a bit. you were pretty much picking me apart. so, after the 4th or 5th match i started to think about what i could do to change it up. my idea was to do what a lot of ryus do and do a couple attacks then focus. This worked to put a slowdown to your counter poking during my strings, and won me a couple matches. Once you realized what i was doing you changed it up, very wisely on your part. you started doing pokexxback flip. i didnt really have a punish for this so i just back dashed after i realized i couldnt hit you with focus. The one thing that you were susceptible to was the tenshin grab. I landed this on you a lot from pretty much the same setup. You did catch on eventually, which was good, but it took a while. i think i was down 4-10 before i decided to take a breather and switch to my main in hopes of catching up, which i did. when i switched back to fei we just kept trading games since we were pretty used to eachother at this point and it just became a poking game of sorts, but i did learn a lot from this; like my “safe” rekka aint so safe vs vega if he is wearing the claw cause he has so much damn reach, i hate him… lastly you had some clutch ultras that just totally caught me off guard. the one that sticks out in my mind the most is when i tried to hit you and you did backflip, the long one, and to punish i did rekkax3 but instead of hitting you i wiffed and you instantly did ultra, ggpo i lost. thing is i know he can ultra after BF, i just didnt see that one coming. gs on that, ill be more aware next time.

against gouken, like i said i picked him cause i was hoping to catch up to your wins since the win/loss ratio was looking very lopsided. so, i came up 6-0 and then switched back to fei when it was even again. well, for starters you didnt play the vega poke and stay away strat on me that you did last time. you also did not threaten me with ex-wall dive to go through my FBS, so i through them freely. i was also able to catch you with A LOT of demon flip mix-ups. in order to deal with those mix-ups you are going to have to have a watchful eye or listen for them. gouken makes a sound as he is going up for the flip, its very distinctive, thats how you can tell if he is doing one, same with akuma. you did catch one of them though, with jump grab, that might be an answer for you, just trial and error to see if it works consistantly. some good things were that you did not do the long backflip on my jump-ins, idk why a lot of the vegas i play do this, its so unsafe. That was good. One thing that also would have worked for you would have been more of the other type of wall dive. I almost always try to punish that move, but i know from experience that vega can time time that move to either beat my attack or outright grab me. so, you may want to learn what the timing is on that. I know i shouldnt always try and knock him out of it, but i cant help myself. i think you only tried one ultra on me, i think it was cuase you were expecting an FB, but from the spot you did it was completely unsafe. And since it was unsafe i countered with my own ultra and beat yours. So, let me explain this, from the distance i set up that scenario up, fs away with both of us in opposite corners of the screen, i was making it look like i was gonna throw fbs to get you to ultra. well, its from that ultra i am able to counter with my ultra, any closer and i miss. just be aware of that. So, i would suggest annoying me/you opponent more and in all abd do some or all of the things that i said you werent doing and you will do better. gouken lacks the ability to easily connect combos, they all start from FP and c.lpx3, s.lkx2 is a joke, so i have to wait for you to make a mistake, catch you on the recovery of one of your moves, or score some kind of jumpin on you to net some serious damage. thats it, long write-up, sorry, but im at work and am bored. ggs dude.**

vs Fei Long

for starters you have a good Fei Long, a real good one at that. Most Fei’s I have played dont know how to use him, but you have a better understanding for starters.

you did not rush me down. You knew that if you jumped in stupidly or did not respect my space you would eat a lot of crap. Thats a good thing. Most rush down type character lose to me because they dont respect my space that I make when I force you to play footsies. When you are forced to play footsies abuse cr.mk and cr.hp. Those moves are good for a number of reasons especially cr.mk. Cr.mk lowers your hit box and it can be cancelled into rekkas. That reason alone makes playing footsies a double edge sword against Vega. It essentially breakes all of my pokes. I cant poke you at random because i you happen to throw one out I will whiff, get hit, get rekka’d, get pushed to the corner, and that is where Fei Long starts shinning because his corner pressure is ambiguous as to when is it really safe to attack. Especially when you have pokes that shift your hit box. There is one thing i dont know if you should abuse, because im conflicted about the potential bad side effects of using it to much. The Chicken Wing. I recently played another Fei, by the name of Tsua. I’ve heard he is one of the best Fei’s on SRK, and he abused Chicken Wing a lot. It broke any poke, and really did not respect my space because it launched him right in front of me, destroying the space i worked for. At first it got me a lot, but then i started punishing it a lot with Vega, so that’s why I am conflicted bout whether or not you should abuse it because it can equal a free Ultra for Ryu or other characters. For Tenshin grab i cant give any feed back on that because I dont understand that move. Can it be stuffed? If it can than I say don’t do it because it = high damage combo for some characters. And for Rekka’s. I was suprised that I can hurt you after them. But maybe they where not really safe ones, maybe the spacing for them is real strict, but if that is the case then you can do a number of things that equal a free combo for you. You can Chicken Wing or Fire Kick me, but that is risk for you. I always used cr.lp after a Rekka string, its safer, faster, and cools down better, than cr.mp because it links to cr.mp, and it equals much more damage and leaves me in a better position than cr.mp IMO. If you Fire Kick that is free damage, only if chose not to attack. And for the over head i dont know how they work because none of my characters have them and I prefer throws because they leave me in a better position than if I had an over head.

Now that we got the basics down lets go to your block strings and combo’s. Work on your Chicken Wing Combo’s since they always leave you in the best possible position you want. Standing over the opponent and in the corner or near the corner. Work on your combo’s. You had them and landed most of them, but we want to land them all the time. Especially when you land a Tenshin grab. I dont know if this works but try it as a mix up. Rekka combo (HP Rekka combo), stop at the second one st.lp xx Tenshin Grab, or naked Tenshin, and go for another combo.

GG and sorry i took a while, I wanted to give you a good review and feed back and was thinking this through to make sure it was well thought out. And thanks for the Gouken tips, I think I know how to stop your resets into Demon flips, and turn those resets into my advantage and not yours thanks. GG again and play you soon.

bahn · October 25, 2009, 4:12am

You need to fix your post bro – for anyone not following this thread, they’d assume that you posted all of the above. Quoted text needs to be edited.

Shirase_Akira · October 25, 2009, 6:22am

Thanks! I made a few improvements today. More tomorrow, if I have time. Still need time to play too… I’ve barely played since I made the site.

Gamma_Charge · October 25, 2009, 7:27am

XBL Gamertag: GammaCharge1977
Location: NY
Headset: I rarely use it
Record Matches: No
Dedication: Short Term - practice for an upcoming local tourney. Long term - training to compete in next year’s EVO
Characters: Rose.
Strengths: Understanding the matchups. Good grasp of fundamentals.
Weaknesses: Punishing openings when I see them, defense
Characters Good VS: Viper and Chun
Characters Bad VS: Blanka. Easily my worst matchup. Ken gives me problems. Seems like his pokes beat out most of Rose’s usual pokes.
What I Need to Practice: Execution, defense/teching throws

Arbie21 · October 25, 2009, 8:01am

ok i played kyroc 4 ever. I messaged luken but he didn’t respond and he was online.i havent talked to ryboy because he hasn’t been online. I was online like all day and i have only played kryoc.
Kyroc vs Arbie21
5-1

kyarisan · October 25, 2009, 8:18am

Uh… Arbie… it’s supposed to be first to three So… anyway, let’s just call it 3-1.

Luken27 · October 25, 2009, 8:40am

I was online? I’ve been offline for 6 hours. I added you to my friends list. When is the round robin? I was informed that is was canceled.

kyarisan · October 25, 2009, 9:10am

Luken… tell me who informed you of a cancellation. I am the only one in charge of the project.