SRK Mafia XVIII: Phoenix Wright - Back in Session -- Turnabout Icege (GAME OVER -- CIVILIANS WIN!)

[Saitsu]

And the last thing against Sacrifice, why the hell would the Mafia willingly give the Vigi a stock so soon?

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

• It’s kinda funny because this is almost the exact thing I did to TGG last game. This was my calling card of “You’re going to be the night kill”. It could just be a weird coincidence since I thought Fuzz might be dirty because of his response to Dandyman near the top of page 4. But he was a roleless civ.*

You gave me a calling card before you killed me? You’re a real slut you know that?

My advice to him was genuine though. He was asking stupid questions and then I really actually looked at what he was saying. I thought he was trying to feign innocence with his questions and I do still feel like it was fluff.

I still dont really feel like it was a sacrifice though. If they chose to recruit, why would they kill somebody immediately? At that point they gave up knowing two investigation targets for literally no reward. Now they would be left with default player count, and only knowing one investigation per night. Seems like that whole player would be counterproductive to their mechanic choice.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

I love it when I revise a post and completely forget to fix shit.

“Seems like that whole player sacrifice would be counter productive to their mechanic choice”

[Synonym]

Lol, any nigga that thinks I made that read on dandy can go fuck themselves. The only way he could have broadcast it more would be posting his role pm.

Anyway I hated the idea of a recession time lynch yesterday but then he appeared and scrambled to stay alive. Now he pops back up, says he hates wallflowers too then days he will be back to place his vote.

Also, good thing great vote lord realised I somehow possessed radical fuzz’s mouse and made him edit. This guy is MVP for sure.

[IWinAlot]

So 3 people are out from the game already. Having read through the last bit of the thread it seems dandy could have been a mafia sacrifice. It sounded like people wanted him lynched this phase. Could that be motivation for a sacrifice. Does mafia usually just give up their players like that? Maybe that is more evidence supporting them choosing the recruit option so they could do so if need be.

[Aidebit]

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@IWinAlot‌

Nah, I’m pretty sure that there have been no mafia sacrifices thus far, in any game. And besides, if he was going to get lynched, most mafia players would probably just leave it be, as they risk getting stronger players on their side lynched.

[IWinAlot]

Also could someone tell me how they easily saw that dandy had a role. If they did see that why would someone point it out.

[Saitsu]

So 3 people are out from the game already. Having read through the last bit of the thread it seems dandy could have been a mafia sacrifice. It sounded like people wanted him lynched this phase. Could that be motivation for a sacrifice. Does mafia usually just give up their players like that? Maybe that is more evidence supporting them choosing the recruit option so they could do so if need be.

Starting to get tired of talking about the Sacrifice option so I’ll give you a rebuttal well.

No that’s not motivation. There were plenty of those who were willing to go elsewhere as it is. Dandy was new enough to skate under the radar while other Wallflowers or other suspicious people existed. If he really was Mafia they had no reason to get rid of him.

And it’s the opposite of them choosing the recruit option. You don’t recruit someone just to get rid of them. It’s a waste.

This Night Kill gave us 1 of 2 things.

1. Dandy’s inexperience led to him slipping up and telegraphing he had a role and the Mafia saw through it.
2. Mafia decides out of the goodness of their hearts to give us a free Vigi Stock and Mafia kill just for one day of illusion.

[Pimp_Willy]

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Future willy says 24 hours from now:

So RT had a role and I misread it as mafia, and you all want to lynch me as a result. But notice Syn sowing these subtle seeds in the grass to incriminate me. Don’t let him slide on this

[Vynce]

Pimp- or we could lynch DG. RT can still get it, but hey.

[The_Chief]

I believe the possibility of a sacrifice is extremely low but ultimately it shouldn’t be completely ignored.

The obviousness with how Dandy gave away his role could’ve been on purpose so that the mafia could make it seem like it was a noob mistake that got him killed.

The last gasp giving no info would then make sense because what would a noob wallflower be able to tell us that we would believe? Nothing. If anything it would obvious it was a sac if the last gasp was too elaborate.

I don’t know. It sounds crazy to me but I cant write it off as impossible. Noone should really.

[Bious]

@Vynce‌
I take it you think DG is dirty because of Duke quitting, or some other reason?

[Synonym]

Jesus Christ, pink Willy has put his tin foil gay on today.

To be honest, your paranoia that I’m apparently incriminating you (I’m not just FYI) is more suspect then anything else thus far.

Also, a DG lynch today gives us more to go on, but a DG lynch tomorrow means we get rid of recession time today.

(Or we can lynch gcl so that nigga will let his hard on for me go down).

[ForgeDigger]

So those of you who keep asking why the medic:

Like I stated before, my reasoning is that it’s because it doesn’t make any sense that makes it viable. If the mafia did sacrifice Dandy as the medic, then no one would expect it. Just like what’s happening now. People are starting to think that Dandy must have been the medic because the mafia wouldn’t do something so stupid.

That’s just how I see it, anyway.

Except it doesn’t help at all. As Civs we never particularly rely on the Medic anyway (especially not since the LAST PW game). Our state of mind and our gameplan changes very little whether the Medic is around or not.

Giving up a Mafia member needs to make a huge impact over the course of the game. This does not do any such thing. This would lower their members one, gives us one less suspicious flower like player to have to waste a lynch on.

If this was a Sacrifice, it only hurts them for the reasons I stated plus another reason. It would show that the current Mafia are filled with a bunch of newbies. Even one veteran would know how ill-advised such a strategy would be.

Consider this: they gave up one person on their team who was probably going to die soon anyway for the sake of more civilians being lynched. Anyone who was under the impression that Dandy was dirty now has to shift all of the relationships that were created based on that suspicion. In the case that he was a sacrifice, these shifts would be in the wrong direction, just like the mafia would want.

And maybe the mafia wants us to think that they’re a bunch of newbies.

So forge how does the mafia leverage that?

I don’t understand your question. Leverage what?

All of this doesn’t matter much anyway. This conjecture apparently isn’t changing anyone’s insular ideas about what happened last night. I don’t even think it’s very related to who should be lynched today. At least, there isn’t much to go off of Dandy’s death.

A rebuttal: They gave up someone on their team that the civs would’ve lynched themselves, thus now they’ve given them more opportunities to nail down the Mafia. And we don’t have to change around anything when it comes to Dandy. His opinions when it comes to the Mafia if he’s clean is irrelevant due to lack of experience. Mafia would not pinpoint him due to that. And if he was sacked, then every suspicion he’s said was manufactured. Either way there’s absolutely no reason to put any stock to anything Dandy’s said at this point.

Forge, you’re trying to read so deep right now you’re drowning in your own paranoia.

You’re probably right; I often read too far into things. You brought up some good points. I just don’t want people writing off the possibility just because. At least there’s a sound argument now, so I’ll back off. I’m satisfied for the time being.

The results of my new test turned out well for the most part. It’s figuring out when to stop that’s the problem. Probably won’t do it again though because apparently a very small number of people are smart enough to realize what I’m doing and humoring me. =.=

[Synonym]

Apparently swype just changed hat to gay.

[ForgeDigger]

Who else feels that Forge is bringing this up as a way to distract us?

Yes, Hecatom. I am distracting you from the very important conversations that are otherwise going on. Have you seen the fucking thread? Exactly what am I distracting you from?

Now, I suppose you could use the argument that I could’ve put attention elsewhere. But then again so could you. You are just as qualified to start discussion.

And saying that this isn’t important is also bullshit. Whether or not the mafia made a sacrifice makes a difference.

This is just a theory of course, but by making us talk about a possible sacrifice we focus on something that could or could not happened instead on how Co-Jones lynch bandwagon formed or what player could have been that good to catch Dandy slip.

It also doesn’t help that i have been getting the vibe that she is playing very different, and that her targets seem to be those who are more convenient giving how weak or biased or out of context seems to be the reasons to suspect them

Three things:

1. I change my style every game. The “playing differently” card doesn’t work.
2. I have nothing to lose by being super aggressive. Last game I had everything to lose because so much was riding on me.
3. What, exactly, are my “weak or biased or out of context” reasons for suspecting people? I’ll correct them for you.

for example, I could make exceptions for TGG and crucades, as you both seem a little oblivious to the rules.

Also Forge I take great offense to this. Oblivious to the rules? Bite me. I misunderstood a single rule. Get outta here with that.

You’ve shown signs before this. Like when you didn’t know about the “don’t show pictures of PMs” rule or the “don’t edit your posts” rule. When you messed up then you could blame it on “i haven’t read the rules yet guys cut me some slack lol” but now that I point it out it’s completely out of line?

I like it.

I’m not calling you stupid or anything, just wanted to see if you’ve caught up yet. c:

[Hecatom]

Apparently swype just changed hat to gay.

Yeah, sure…

[Pimp_Willy]

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Swype does learn from its users behavior

[Vynce]

@Bious That was it, initially.

It’ll become more evident over time.

[Vynce]

Oh by the way, Bious. Who among the players here do you think would be disinclined to recruit me? (And why)