SRK Mafia XIX: Robber's and Cops (Day 2: Blue Blue)

[Missing_Person]

Urgh, just read the word secretly in the Assassin’s role description. Chances are we won’t know if he’s poisoned until the end of the Day phase. New question: should we operate under the assumption that Nupo is getting poisoned tonight?

No.

If the poisoner is inactive, then we stall out time hoping that he gets his ass in gear on what should be a surefire lynch.

There’s still a chance that somehow Nupo is civ, but I think he needs to die soon no matter what. If somehow he gets poisoned then lynched, at LEAST we mitigated the odds of losing at worst 2 civs, and at best, a mafia and a civ. There’s the scant chance that we nail 2 mafia by diversifying and hoping poisoner hit Nupo, but that’s scant.

[jasonC]

@chadouken!

Your last post reads as a bad first time player mafia tell.

Might want to look into acquiring a better grasp of phraseology.

Nah, it’s a quote from Rez Dogs (kinda a similar situation we’re in right now).

I was not referring merely to the quote, but to your entire post.

Mafia is a reading game.

I’m just trying to throw my vote out there based on a hunch and see how you react. You already came back pretty rude and defensive, telling me to “Lurk more” and that my posts seem like a bad mafia tell. That’s not very helpful in convincing me you’re not mafia. So the vote stands.

This is the kind of shit that gets new mafia lynched day 1 or 2.

So keep it up.

I disagree here.

Special thanks to Bious for missing Nupo’s vote and turning a tie into a Mafia lynch. :tup:
You forgot my RadicalFuzz vote tho.

We need to find these dirty coppers, seee.
We need to sell these goods and get paid, seeee.
Wait, what exactly did we rob from the bank that we have to sell? Seeeee?

Are you the Mastermind?

Lol, why yes I am. You found me.

Lynch chadouken!

Fuck me

Quick question- whenever someone gets lynched, is their side/role revealed to the remaining players? Or is there going to be a final reveal after the game is over?

Um… yeah. Lynch this guy. Your top tier MS Paint skills can’t save you here.

What, are we not allowed to make guesses on people’s roles?? I just thought it was funny that @jasonC ended every sentence with “see” like in the Mastermind description. Thought it might be a clue.

Sorry that I’m new and have questions, but this is my first Mafia game and I’m not entirely sure how all the mechanics work, or how I’m supposed to act yet, I guess.

You shouldn’t be guessing for Mafia roles, that just makes it easier for Civilians to hunt them down during the Night phase. Also, the phrasing on those sentences can be interpreted with a large amount of butter on Jesus Toast.

“Are you the mastermind?” “Yes I am and now I’m putting a vote on you.” “Fuck me, you must have investigated me and found out I’m Civilian :(” <- Yes I realise the flaw in this logic, but I’ll direct you back to the sentence about not being entirely sure how all the mechanics work.

“If I die, will my Civilian alignment be revealed?” <- Again, a bit of a stretch, but it’s more hypothetical than logic.

Those two sentences were enough for me to say you should be a Day 1 lynch candidate.

Are there any objections to the Assassin hitting Nupo tonight?
Bonus important question: Would Vynce’s role have been worth negating the Day’s lynch? There was potentially enough confusion to sway the vote Day 2, so is it possible that the Good Cop wasn’t active during the last couple of hours?

Alpha - read the role names. This guy looks like he’s role hunting.

[jasonC]

If vigi does not hit Nupo, we ought to be lynching him tomorrow.

Pretty much this.

[jasonC]

whoa quote fail. that azure quote with the “I disagree” was from when I was last on the site lol. I guess it got saved.

[Korbidon]

What is role hunting?

[Hecatom]

Trying to see what role could have an x or y player.

[jasonC]

Oh alpha mixed me up with his first paragraph lol.

[jasonC]

Urgh, just read the word secretly in the Assassin’s role description. Chances are we won’t know if he’s poisoned until the end of the Day phase. New question: should we operate under the assumption that Nupo is getting poisoned tonight?

No.

If the poisoner is inactive, then we stall out time hoping that he gets his ass in gear on what should be a surefire lynch.

There’s still a chance that somehow Nupo is civ, but I think he needs to die soon no matter what. If somehow he gets poisoned then lynched, at LEAST we mitigated the odds of losing at worst 2 civs, and at best, a mafia and a civ. There’s the scant chance that we nail 2 mafia by diversifying and hoping poisoner hit Nupo, but that’s scant.

oh there’s no vigi? lolme sorry, ok finally paying attention.

[AlphaCommando]

Oh alpha mixed me up with his first paragraph lol.

There’s no way this game’s theme could lead to any confusion. So tell me, are you Mafia or Mafia?

[AlphaCommando]

Urgh, just read the word secretly in the Assassin’s role description. Chances are we won’t know if he’s poisoned until the end of the Day phase. New question: should we operate under the assumption that Nupo is getting poisoned tonight?

No.

If the poisoner is inactive, then we stall out time hoping that he gets his ass in gear on what should be a surefire lynch.

There’s still a chance that somehow Nupo is civ, but I think he needs to die soon no matter what. If somehow he gets poisoned then lynched, at LEAST we mitigated the odds of losing at worst 2 civs, and at best, a mafia and a civ. There’s the scant chance that we nail 2 mafia by diversifying and hoping poisoner hit Nupo, but that’s scant.

In that case, should we advise the Assassin NOT to poison Nupo tonight, under the pretense that he’s definitely getting lynched tomorrow?

[jasonC]

Urgh, just read the word secretly in the Assassin’s role description. Chances are we won’t know if he’s poisoned until the end of the Day phase. New question: should we operate under the assumption that Nupo is getting poisoned tonight?

No.

If the poisoner is inactive, then we stall out time hoping that he gets his ass in gear on what should be a surefire lynch.

There’s still a chance that somehow Nupo is civ, but I think he needs to die soon no matter what. If somehow he gets poisoned then lynched, at LEAST we mitigated the odds of losing at worst 2 civs, and at best, a mafia and a civ. There’s the scant chance that we nail 2 mafia by diversifying and hoping poisoner hit Nupo, but that’s scant.

In that case, should we advise the Assassin NOT to poison Nupo tonight, under the pretense that he’s definitely getting lynched tomorrow?

So if you’re a copper with Nupo, you could look like you’re trying to avoid getting him poisoned.
If you’re a robber, you’re looking to optimize chances of hitting coppers.

I feel like the optimal play will be to NOT assume that the assassin is inactive. Rely on him to poison Nupo. Then use tomorrow to deliberate and actually have a lynch vote that can give us more info rather than a stagnant day where everyone will just lynch Nupo. See?

[Missing_Person]

Urgh, just read the word secretly in the Assassin’s role description. Chances are we won’t know if he’s poisoned until the end of the Day phase. New question: should we operate under the assumption that Nupo is getting poisoned tonight?

No.

If the poisoner is inactive, then we stall out time hoping that he gets his ass in gear on what should be a surefire lynch.

There’s still a chance that somehow Nupo is civ, but I think he needs to die soon no matter what. If somehow he gets poisoned then lynched, at LEAST we mitigated the odds of losing at worst 2 civs, and at best, a mafia and a civ. There’s the scant chance that we nail 2 mafia by diversifying and hoping poisoner hit Nupo, but that’s scant.

In that case, should we advise the Assassin NOT to poison Nupo tonight, under the pretense that he’s definitely getting lynched tomorrow?

That’s a possibility.

If he wants to go to mitigate any CFD, that wouldn’t be a BIG issue. We do lose a stock, but it guarantees a flip on Nupo tomorrow all-in-all.

[Pokemon123]

Yeah nupo should be poisoned IMO. Other top suspect is Miraclearrows, aside from his vote being really bad the reason why it seems scummy is because it seems way too opportunistic to start another wagon.

@“Missing Person” what is CFD?

[chadouken]

You shouldn’t be guessing for Mafia roles, that just makes it easier for Civilians to hunt them down during the Night phase. Also, the phrasing on those sentences can be interpreted with a large amount of butter on Jesus Toast.

“Are you the mastermind?” “Yes I am and now I’m putting a vote on you.” “Fuck me, you must have investigated me and found out I’m Civilian :(” <- Yes I realise the flaw in this logic, but I’ll direct you back to the sentence about not being entirely sure how all the mechanics work.

“If I die, will my Civilian alignment be revealed?” <- Again, a bit of a stretch, but it’s more hypothetical than logic.

Those two sentences were enough for me to say you should be a Day 1 lynch candidate.

Are there any objections to the Assassin hitting Nupo tonight?
Bonus important question: Would Vynce’s role have been worth negating the Day’s lynch? There was potentially enough confusion to sway the vote Day 2, so is it possible that the Good Cop wasn’t active during the last couple of hours?

Man, now I’m really confused. First of all, I honestly didn’t realize that the Mafia put a hit out during the night- like, I didn’t realize that was part of the game. I thought the only way people die is from lynching, and the assassin’s poison, and that the night phase was just to dig out info. So I can see how making guesses on civilian roles would actually benefit the Mafia, and not civilians, which is why my posts came across as all fucked up. That’s my bad, but when I saw Azure making a claim on who he is, I thought it might be beneficial for civilians to suss out other civilians (again- I didn’t realize that it’s actually a bad thing because the Mafia will now target someone with a major role, like Mastermind).

But you’re saying civilians can hunt for Mafia during night phase, too? How does that work? And why would civilians lynch other civilians during the day?

And what the heck is butter on Jesus Toast?

[Bious]

Night is over.

[jasonC]

Bious’ loltheme + Alpha’s post with lolwords = utter confusion.

Yea, everytime I read that one post by alpha I understand it better. And actually this time is the first time I’m seeing his last point. They didn’t negate the lynch. Meaning, they were counting on Vynce to not die - aka counting on Nupo to tie and then randomly win in their favor. It lends more credence to Nupo being a dirty copper, see?

[Azure]

Can someone please direct chadou to a mafia primer, after I am dead?

[MIRACLEARROW]

Pokemon, i was just pointing out my observations. You were the train, I didnt have to start anything. In fact, I was the last person on the list to vote for you as you already had 3 people against you. Also you guys will look be looked at as Mafia when you realize that Im a civ. So much so, it will likely get one of you killed by the next day. Just spitting facts.

[chadouken]

Can someone please direct chadou to a mafia primer, after I am dead?

Yeah that might have been helpful, lol. I think I’m at least starting to understand it better, though. I might have gotten confused because the theme is set up where the civilians are actually the “bad” guys (as in bank robbers), and the Mafia are the police.

Also @AlphaCommando there’s no way anybody could have investigated me at that point because we started with the day phase and whoever the Mastermind is can only investigate at night. That’s what you were getting at when you mentioned the flaw in the logic, and me not understanding the mechanics yet, yeah?

[Missing_Person]

Yeah nupo should be poisoned IMO. Other top suspect is Miraclearrows, aside from his vote being really bad the reason why it seems scummy is because it seems way too opportunistic to start another wagon.

@“Missing Person” what is CFD?

Chinese Fire Drill. Suddenly changing votes to force bandwagon battles.