SRK Mafia XIV: Musical Legends: Revenge of the Boybands ! Day 4!

ForgeDigger · February 14, 2014, 7:45am

In general or pertaining to Alpha and Duke?

@Sumazndude I, for one, would like to see you present a case against someone. Make me believe that there isn’t a possibility that you, as a mafia, could slip by without doing anything. Make some accusations or something.

It’s not just me who thinks MP’s acting kinda strange, right? I’m hoping that it’s just because you’re skimming too quickly. The write-up made it clear that there are 5 mafia left. I just find it weird that you list exactly one less than there really is.

@Bious so you’re really sure you didn’t think Duke was mafia until his name came up? Not even a little?

SoVi3t · February 14, 2014, 7:52am

all in good time.

logically, we lynch OZ tonight, then we should come up with a list of 3 people who definitely need to go the following day. Wallflowers need to be looked at, it’s too far into the game for you to not be of any use. May as well use you to draw out mafia bangwagon members.

No more of this clutching at straws and throwing random names out there nonsense. Civs are winning right now, and if we play our cards right, we have a chance to pretty much seal the deal.

Sumazndude · February 14, 2014, 7:56am

Have you not noticed that I’ve been talking to WAH for the past 2 days?

The only reason I don’t want to make an accusation is because I really don’t want a repeat of the RE game where I ended up with 4-5 civ lynches… Surely you must remember that

SoVi3t · February 14, 2014, 8:02am

I fucking hate not knowing who some of all you fuckers alts are

WTF-AKUMA-HAX · February 14, 2014, 8:09am

For this
Maybe I didn’t say Chief lived until the end of Vampire fast enough?

I at least wanted to calm him down to keep helping and ask him how he did that. Even if it was nobody was the gold standard role lover PM club and don’t even get talked to again.

The_Chief · February 14, 2014, 8:12am

@HAX - Are you on board with SoVi3t’s suggestion?

Bious · February 14, 2014, 8:14am

Hmm…

Soviet lynched AC earlier than Syn, so I trust him more.

Synonym · February 14, 2014, 8:23am

Look if you guys feel that OZ is a suspect I’m not going to defend him anymore than I already have. I just don’t see it this game, which is really saying something.

On the other hand, Vigi if you want to trust me once more can you take a pot-shot at Oerba tonight? I promise that you won’t be disappointed.

WTF-AKUMA-HAX · February 14, 2014, 8:24am

Where he started today
OZ
OZ
OZ yeah.

As rude as it is to do that to a silent guy, there’s plenty of time for his rebuttals, that maybe nobody will consider anyway. You need me to lock on OZ now or wanting me to slip on another namedrop.

WTF-AKUMA-HAX · February 14, 2014, 8:26am

Me with a typo I just clarified is not = to all the crap you’ve done.

Bious · February 14, 2014, 8:29am

Fuck this, I’ma look back on day 1 and read through Alpha vs Bious (Which I consider a loss since I did not get him lynched.) I think a clue may be there.

Sumazndude · February 14, 2014, 8:33am

You’re going to get crap after all the time you’re wasting on me…

Bious · February 14, 2014, 8:38am

@Vynce
And I guess @Chief as well.

Before this phase, if Alpha was lynched and turned up Mafia, who would you be looking at?

Bious · February 14, 2014, 8:41am

Also how does everyone feel on @Forgedigger?

Bious · February 14, 2014, 9:01am

Quiet now, huh.

IMO these should be the targets for today:

Missing Person

or

Oz

WTF-AKUMA-HAX · February 14, 2014, 9:01am

Keep your underwear on over there and don’t go “commando” :wasted:

Bious · February 14, 2014, 9:04am

Gonna go with my hunches and suspect MP and Pie (ignoring however unlikely I want to accept he pulled Mafia 3 games in a row.) Oz is because I want to see if Soviet hit money.

SoVi3t · February 14, 2014, 9:06am

Oz is pretty much suspect #1 right now. Vigi still has to take somebody out as well, although I dunno if we should kill Oerba before giving him a chance to add some input. We haven’t really discussed potential targets for vigi, and that needs to become a topic after the rest of you smarten up and lynch OZ today.

orochizoolander · February 14, 2014, 9:08am

DukeC post compilation. Will now do one for AC and then make a third post with my own thoughts and reactions to the thread so far.

DukeC:

Skizzz:

DukeC:

Question(s) here. If a mafia happens to be lynched Day 1, wouldn’t that increase the chances of them surviving into the end game? Or would that be considered a win for the Civs because they might hit someone important? Trying to look at this from a percentage/odds viewpoint.

I’m confused about what you mean by that. Like, we can only win by killing all the mafia, how could killing a mafia make it harder for us to win?

Because it would theoretically increase their survivability. In this large game percentage wise it may not matter whether a mafia or civ gets lynched Day 1, because the percentage increase/decrease is so minimal.

Let’s downsize. Lets say there are only 15 people in the game. 5 of which are mafia. So the ratio is 1:3 (or 5/15). Say a mafia gets lynched Day 1 (they offer up a pawn or the civs get lucky). The ratio is now 2:7 (or 4:14). 1/3 is 33%. 2/7 is 28%. So by hitting a mafia Day 1 you’ve increased their survivability into the endgame by 5% and now they are able to dwindle the civ pool because they have more targets they are capable of going after.

IMO, best case scenario for Mafia in this early game is to fodder off 2-3 members to increase the survivability of the players that have the most chance at sliding through the game with the least amount of suspicion while also getting the Head Detective to waste investigating regular civs.

On further thought, the civs can also just roleclaim (or a mafia member could bluff this as well I think) if the mafia members dwindle too low to narrow down the investigation targets. Hrmm. I don’t think I fully though this idea through, but it was a question that needed to be asked so I could get you guys’s opinion on it and implement it in future mafia games.

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DukeC:

Maybe you guys have better reads/insights into why you believe Aidebit is Mafia, but since this is my first game all I know about him is what he’s posted here. And what he’s posted here isn’t really that incriminating (to me).

As far as me being too active goes, how am I supposed to act for my first game? Not say anything? I’m going to ask questions for my first time doing anything, and I’d rather get the stupid questions out of the way first and hear the answers plainly rather than be a “wallflower” and hope someone answers my unasked questions in an insightful post that may never come because so far everyone has played relatively conservative (except for Bious getting everyone’s butt in gear, which I assume is par for the course since it’s not getting a reaction from anyone). If that draws suspicion that’s fine, I totally get that.

Lynch: Aidebit to avoid a tie and “wasting a vote”.

Now, if I may ask yet another stupid question: What’s wrong with a tie and what happpens in the event of it?

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DukeC:

Synonym:

In my eyes Pie isn’t a suspect.

I would like to suggest one of Chief’s suspects as a potential lynch candidate.

DukeC has been ringing a large number of bells in my mind.

Unless I missed something

Combo Knight
Alpha Commando
WTF Akuma Hax
Hecatom
Oerba

Were his suspects.

So either that was a slip of the tongue and you meant to substitute one of their names into that post, or you didn’t finish your suggestion on purpose to make it look like Chief was suspecting me all along. In which case, since my name has not come up in any of Chief’s posts, this either means :

A) Either you or he are Head Detective/Assistant Detective and are exchanging PM’s on suspects to investigate, starting with his initial list
B) That was a genuine slip of the tongue…or
C) Neither, and that you’re fixation on me is causing you to make mistakes you would or wouldn’t normally make

DukeC:

RadicalFuzz:

I expected Vynce to be Ray Charles B)

DarkGeneral:

*2: Read the writeup again. James Brown (godfather) didn’t kill Exodus, a “stranger” did. Someone else visited him during the nightphase and stopped him from [doing an action]. That line about stopping Ray from picking up a syringe, while funny, it may be a hint to us signaling that the mafia used a role block on Exodus just in case he was the medic.

There’s 2 other things that I noted but for now I’ll sit on them. I need to observe a few things first.

Interesting, you saw the syringe part and believe that indicates a role block on Exodus? However, you fail to read the actual role cards.

Spoiler

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/kazamamaster/jb_zps98fd60e8.jpg

It says that he chooses a member of the Mafia to perform the night kill. This means there’s a suicide bomber role on the civilian side, or possibly a tracker role.

Public Service Announcement: In the first Marvel VS Capcom 3 game there was a role that could kill one of the players with the two lowest post counts.

Like yesterday avoiding a tie is my priority. At the moment I’d like to hear more out of Alpha and Oerba this day phase. DukeC as well. What do you three think of OZ’s post in nighttime? Do you think it was intentional, that is was an accident, that it was a test and he was pushing his luck that he wouldn’t be DQd?
Alpha, do you feel confident you’ll survive today with Chief & Bious gunning for you? Bias & Chiefy, could you guys re-elaborate on what specifically you want to lynch Alpha for?

I have no idea on what to think about OZ’s post. I think the post was sufficiently long enough and he could have stopped in between writing it that he just hit Post Comment and lost track of time IE An Accident. I can’t get a good read on it, as I don’t now his usual behavior in games such as these.

If I seem to be more aggressive/curt than usual it’s because my living situation has come to a head and I have to decide on going to the military or getting kicked out. Trying not to take my anger out on you guys, but it seems like I’m going to be extra blunt today at least. I need a good laugh :sad:

DukeC:

Blindknagg:

@Duke

DukeC:

Synonym:

-snip-

Unless I missed something

Combo Knight
Alpha Commando
WTF Akuma Hax
Hecatom
Oerba

Were his suspects.

So either that was a slip of the tongue and you meant to substitute one of their names into that post, or you didn’t finish your suggestion on purpose to make it look like Chief was suspecting me all along. In which case, since my name has not come up in any of Chief’s posts, this either means :

A) Either you or he are Head Detective/Assistant Detective and are exchanging PM’s on suspects to investigate, starting with his initial list

**His post came of more as a “here’s Chief’s targets and outside of them I also suspect Duke” to me.
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Your point A may be seen as role hunting but your new so I’ll let that one slide.

And @orochizoolander you owe me one coin in the next arena game.

If that were the case why didn’t he at least name or suggest one of them like his post said? Why only myself?

Did he expect everyone to remember who was on Chief’s list at the very beginning of the game? The only one whose name has consistently come up is Apha’s. In any case his post seemed to indicate I was also on Chief’s list, with the way he left off names. Even I went “Huh” and went back to check Chief’s list.

DukeC:

Huh. Some of that is solid reasoning, except I was going to ask questions anyway and I’ve already made peace with that making me suspicious in my first game.

Secondly, As for me responding to Vynce, that didn’t go as planned (that was a pretty bad bait I tried), so I took the L and stopped bothering him, especially since I don’t have a read on him at all

Thirdly, what list? If someone could actually show me this list where I’m on Chief’s suspects it’d be much appreciated, otherwise it just looks like I’m getting piled on for outright bogus reasons. This is the second time I’ve been accused on being on a list other than Vynce’s or Synonym’s. And it’s the same person, Chief. This is not helping soothe my earlier suspicion.

I wonder what Chief thinks of all this?

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DukeC:

Everyone is making great points so far. Even though Soviet and Vynce had their little spat, I think they are capable of working together for the common good and going along with Chief’s sensible plan. Even Synonym (who still hasn’t admitted his mistake) is jumping on board with it. Me personally, I don’t have any misgivings to it like I did the Aidebit one as AC has been relatively quiet, making jokes, and not really defending himself so to speak.

On another note, what I am noticing as a new player is that once the lynchwagon gets rolling, it snowballs HARD as fuck

Also, just got off the phone with my Navy recruiter. Going to give him my birth certificate tomorrow and start from there. Probably going to have to take a physical at the site down in…Shreveport I think and then pick the job I want (that I know is not going to be available because that’s how the military does things ) and then start running* in preparation for the navy equivalent of boot camp.

At the very least I’ll have secured a job and something to put on my resume when I get out (assuming I can hack the physical and mental aspects of getting in in the first place). Being 20 years old with no job experience and no car means I’m pretty much failing at life. God that was a fucking depressing thought :sad:

DukeC:

The_Chief:

@DukeC -As a contributor, read all of your posts as they are valuable and insightful. I’m not particularly looking for suspicious evidence but if something stands out I try to remember it.

You mentioned “my little plan” above in your post. I don’t know what others have told you but apparently someone might have conveyed to you that there’s more than meets the eye with what I say.

Otherwise I’m not really sure how else you would look at my post that way because I think this is our first game together.

Synonym is looking a little more valuable than Bious right now. lol

There wasn’t any malicious/insinuating intent behind it. Simply agreeing with the fact that it would be better to go ahead and focus on a singular target (IE, echoing what Bious said about not wasting votes) such as AC, since the momentum to lynch me has stalled quite a bit (though I’m on a LOT of lists now, so it’s gaining traction) as everyone focuses on getting AC lynched.

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DukeC:

Sumazndude:

DukeC:

Should I say who are the known civs or not…and will this give the civs as a whole the advantage since they can narrow down their targets?

Decisions Decisions…

I will say that anyone who said I was unshaken in their belief that I was a civ should be put under suspicion. So…CoughMissingPersonCough

To protect the joy of this game, I’m going to pretend like I didn’t see/read that post…

Or you could read these.

DukeC:

I will say though that I wasn’t seriously entertaining the notion of outright exposing anyone should my claim upon my death be true. I just thought it’d be interesting to see how everyone would react to a (perhaps false) role claim.

DukeC:

So yes. In otherwords I was trolling. A bad attempt at trolling you could argue but trolling nonetheless.

I’m not that much of a dick to ruin it for everyone else.

Synonym · February 14, 2014, 9:09am

Okay, well my suspects mirror much of your own with the exception of OZ.

My top three candidates for mafia are:

Oerba
ForgeDigger
WAH

I have been keeping those last two closer to my chest to see how they play out but if y’all won’t look at Oerba I want at least one of them killed.