Well shit… We’re not doing to well, are we, guys? Mafia is damn crafty this time around.
I’m so confused. TwT
Do the pros outweigh the cons for lynching Alpha today?
Pros:
-If Alpha is mafia, we’ve nailed a mafia
-If Alpha’s a civ and it is revealed that <PW> was not revealed to Chief, we get the name of <PW> without the (albeit slim) risk of his LG being blocked
Cons:
-If he is civ and <PW> revealed himself to Chief, he’s killed in vain while silenced. We lose a good civ.
?:
-It’s not out of the question that he was <PW> trying to get a reaction out of the mafia to join them.
This could all be a ploy by the mafia to make Alpha look cleaner, too. It’s all depending on Chief’s LG. @MP - will we be told when/if a LG block is used.
Oh, and while I’m here. @Vynce talk to me. I trust you more than anyone else; what do you make of last night’s actions? Do you think Alpha’s a civ? If so, do you think <PW> contacted him? What about the medic, should he claim? I don’t see what could be lost from it, but maybe there is something I don’t see. Based off these actions, do you think the mafia’s actions were planned by a mastermind?
As a discussion topic, since its so quiet, one of the biggest dividers we had was the witness protection program. So then, do you think it was more likely that mafia was for or against the plan?
Personally, I think that they were against the plan, knew that Fuzzy was <SWBeta>, and used their pull to get him lynched day 1. This is the only reason I even consider that Alpha is really mafia. All the people who came out against the plan were trying to cast those pro plan as lynchable targets (DG, Fuzzy, Me).
The flipside is that they didn’t have the <SWBeta> role known, but the medic role known (as per the enforce last night). And they were pro plan, in an attempt to get <SWBeta> to claim so they could easily neutralize the medic and kill him. If this is the case, it would most likely point to DG being part of the mafia (Probably <Kaz> if I had to guess) proposing the plan in the first place. Otherwise, it would be super unlikely such a plan was proposed NOT by the mafia, when the mafia had the tools to take it out completely. This paints DG and Me as dirty, because we were both big pushers of the plan.
Or it’s just a large storm of coincidence, they didn’t know either role and just got really lucky.
So which do you think it is?
Also, @Augustus you came out pretty harsh after Fuzz died on everyone who didn’t support the plan, but I don’t remember you being a strong supporter of the plan before Fuzz died. Were you just straddling the fence until you knew which side to come down on? Remind me your position on the plan BEFORE fuzz died.
@forgedigger: I’m also confused about a lot. If alpha survives to see another day I’ll surely suspect him. Right now I will hold my lynch off. For now I’ll just wait until Chief’s reveal and possibly a civ coming forward to reveal the occultist <pimp wiley>.
@augustus PW targeted you after you said witness should stay quiet and then RC day 3 or if he becomes a lynch target which is what I said too but no one listened to us :mad:
@kaz Now you with me on PW not looking too good now? too bad it took RF’s death to get you and the others to realize that, they just couldn’t be bothered to listen.
I think the posts speak for themselves. Vynce just skyrocketed to the top of my list past pie and DG, and now he’s trying to cover his tracks as the apologetic civ.
Why do you trust Vynce more than anybody? He was a leader in the Radical lynch and his relationship with Chief before the mafia offed him was weird. It just seems an odd choice as your number one trusted townie
Vynce and everyone: What reasons does the medic have to not come forward at this point? Since I think it is a safe assumption that mafia enforced him last night.
Personally… I think they picked Fuzzy and they got lucky with the medic. That’s why I think DG is mafia. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he came up with a plan that involved <SWB> rcing while the mafia knew exactly who <SWB> was.
Are you normally this reserved? I only recall you being so when you were the godfather.
It’s a matter of preference. I just wouldn’t want the wrong people trying to appeal to me as the only confirmed civ. I haven’t fully explored the implications of a reveal, to be honest. I don’t need to know who the medic is. Do you?
I’d say the counter point is we don’t want the vigi to kill the Medic (on the outside chance the mafia doesn’t kill the medic tonight). <PW> is a non factor at this point, once we get his name from Chief or AC, then he’s as good as gone anyway. The only way that he slips away is if AC has the name, and is last gasp blocked, which you already said you don’t believe is going to happen. I think it’s more likely than you think. Let’s just hope Chief has the name and it’s a non issue
So you think being the only confirmed civ would be too much stress on the medic? That I can see. I don’t need to know who he is but in my mind the mafia knowing who the medic is while the civs don’t is a disadvantage for the town. But to your point of the medic being harassed, they shouldn’t come out unless they are comfortable being a person that everybody is trying to appeal to.
This is also true and maybe even more of a reason to lynch AC to ensure that name. Unless <PW> really didn’t reveal himself to Alpha even although that seems unlikely to me.