RadicalFuzz:
Personally speaking, the possibility of the Sacrifice isn’t in question, the feasibility is. There were (IMO) strictly better options than sacrificing as strong a player as Soviet on Night 1. So while I acknowledge the possibility, I don’t think it’s a smart play from any practical angle.
What if SoVi3t wasn’t completely interested in playing? Would a sacrifice make sense then?
The only sac play I’d imagine vampires doing is for doctor. There are others and yomi associated with those choices, but count me in the camp of thinking the kill was the real-deal Holyfield.
Azure
November 21, 2013, 11:26pm
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He has a new girlfriend.
And just got hired for a potential 6 figure job.
Couple those things with his predilections for booze, drugs, and ARPGs, and it may not be as farfetched as it might seem at first.
Vynce
November 21, 2013, 11:28pm
964
I don’t believe Sov was a sacrifice, for the record. Sacrifice seems like it’d be a valuable tool in the right scenario. Decreasing your numbers/potential numbers with nothing to gain from it seems foolish. And not in a way with the potential for “Aha it only SEEMED foolish!”
@Pie , so sacrifice SoV and make him look like the doctor and have 2 civs know it was a lie instead of just one?
Anyway, no further questions you’re honor. I rest my case.
Vynce
November 21, 2013, 11:30pm
966
Azure:
He has a new girlfriend.
And just got hired for a potential 6 figure job.
Couple those things with his predilections for booze, drugs, and ARPGs, and it may not be as farfetched as it might seem at first.
This makes sense, but the period of time between sign ups and game start was quite negligible.
They are guaranteed to increase their numbers this game. Sacrifice is far less a risk this game as opposed to previous ones.
RadicalFuzz:
Okay, I understand you now.
Augustus:
I was thinking that we’re bound to find at least up to three or two Mafia among The Co-Jones/MP votes. Possibly three or four including that No Lynch group. It seems like the safest route to hide inside large groups like that rather than going off and voting alone so you can draw attention to yourself. That’s exactly what Soviet did so it was probably easier for Van Helsing to scope him out.
Taking into consideration what I assume would be Soviet’s style of play, that list of suspects he gave are probably just random names. So Vynce, Missing Person, and orochizoolander join Azure and Bious in the group of people who likely aren’t vampires. And I take back what I said earlier about Aidebit not being cleared of being a vampire. He likely isn’t one as well.
Pimp_Willy:
Vote Results:The Co-Jones : AlphaCommando, ForgeDigger, GodotsRevenge, Hecatom, Pietastic, Saitsu, SumazndudeMissing Person : Azure, Dark General, The Chief, RadicalFuzz, SynonymNo Lynch : Bious, WTF-AKUMA-HAX, IcegePietastic : 3rdSTRikeLOVE, OrochizoolanderAzure : Missing PersonThe Chief : Combo_KnightOrochizoolander : AugustusSoVi3t - AidebitSumazndude : VynceVynce : SoVi3tDid Not Vote : BullDancer, The Co-Jones , highlulu
So, combining the lists of CJ & MP we get:
Spoiler
AlphaCommando
Just as important, everyone who did not vote for those two:
Spoiler
Bious
Soviet didn’t vote with any big groups, which leads me to believe that at least one Vampire is in one of those groups, the first spoiler. Depending on how much influence Soviet had with the other Vampires, they could be in the same group. The game I played where we were both Mafia 5/7 of us ended up voting for the same player on Day 1. He might’ve done that again this time. That would be in line with some of my suspects, and at the same time the Werewolves were certain to have at least one person voting for Co-Jones or MP to blend in. Interestingly enough, you’re correct about SoVi3t tending to give out random names for suspect lists when he’s Mafia. If I recall the Marvel game correctly, he openly trusted one Mafia and doubted two others out of a seven man Mafia. If I had to guess, I’d say he acknowledged only one other Vampire during his time alive, and ignored the other one as much as possible.
@Vynce @AlphaCommando @Combo_Knight
3
but that’s not a bad thing 3 is a relatively positive ranking
Vynce
November 21, 2013, 11:39pm
969
Do the monsters have 7 slots total, or 7 simulataneous?
7 Simultaneous… though really, the only reason for a cap was the old 5 people per PM rule, which no longer exists. So I bumped it up to 7. I probably should have left it unlimited to have pure recruitment be a viable option… but alas, 7 max at any given time.
That’s a question for PW but hopefully its 7 slots total.
If its only 7 total, that means only 1 faction can recruit at a time. What happens if none of them die and they both try to recruit? That’s a better question.
The_Chief:
That’s a question for PW but hopefully its 7 slots total.
If its only 7 total, that means only 1 faction can recruit at a time. What happens if none of them die and they both try to recruit? That’s a better question.
Its 7 slots per faction
so 14 total between vampire/werewolf.
That’s what I thought. Thanks sir.
Interesting theory. I concede that it’d be a logical choice in that scenario, yes.
Thanks Vynce & CK for responding to my question quickly. I’ll wait for the Aussie to wake up before saying anything more of it.
In the Marvel game I didn’t need to fool you, I just needed to fool everyone else once you were dead and they’d forgotten you suspected me lol
Alright let’s get started…
Azure:
How was killing TCJ falling into a Mafia trap to kill the Detective?
You’re not merely connecting dots with statements like that.
You’re making fakecdots, and connecting them to real ones.
Ok, I never said it was mafia’s intent to lynch THE DETECTIVE, but I’m not the only one that feels the village was swayed in part by mafia to lynch coJones without good reason. The only one reaching is you by trying to cast suspicion my way…and you STILL haven’t answered for the statement of me giving my "points ( teeth ) away.
Bious:
3rdSTRikeLOVE:
Ok, after this I’m going to let the site catch up and try to answer everything at once
Bious:
RadicalFuzz:
Bious, let me make something clear.
There needs to be an Assassin before either faction gets to kill at night. The only way to get an Assassin is to Promote a Mafia. Assassinate and Promote are both Major actions. Only one Major action can be taken each night. It is impossible for a faction to have both Promoted a member to an Assassin and Assassinated somebody on Night 1.
Also, to the people saying he could’ve been killed by Doctor, that’s wrong. If the Doctor “cures” a starting Vampire the writeup will say “SoVi3t has been cured”. Obviously we’d know he was a Vampire and lynch him the following day, but he wouldn’t die from the Cure action.
Azure:
Vynce is in jail, true enough.
But roles were assigned at random.
Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.
…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.
Dracula specifically has the “Sacrifice” ability. If he was Jailed I don’t see how he could use that ability. Same goes for “Promote”
After re-reading the rules that does seem to be the case. So the Wolf attack theory is out.
3rdSTRikeLOVE:
How the fuck could the wolves have done it…they had no assassin yet ( this has been discussed and confirmed more than once )
Bious:
Because it accomplishes nothing as someone will always say there was X chance of something else happening.
And how are you so sure it was a Mafia trap?
I’m not 100 percent sure, but I REALLY don’t enjoy the idea of totally writing something off as “Van is gdlke”
And that’s exactly why I said to leave it to the coroner, yet you really want to keep pushing this.
Listen, I’ve explained this MORE than once, so please if you don’t believe me check the role again, ask PW, do whatever you have to do to wrap your head around this shit.
On another note, why do you keep trying to push me away from this?
@PW , just for clarification’s sake…if Dracula were to sacrifice a vampire and choose for him to die at the hands of Van Helsing, would the coroner be able to distinguish this from a legitimate VH kill?
Because no one would be stupid enough to sac Soviet as a Vampire on Night 1. The only advantage it would give is clearing people who suspected him of being Mafia as Vampires, and that is too big of a risk to take.
Why am I pushing you from this? Because you sound like you want Helsing to come out and say it was him who murked Soviet.
Actually if you look at my post, you’ll see that this is what I’m trying to prevent. I don’t know how more obvious I would have to be than to tell VH not to fall for the trap lol.
I’m glad for this, you just confirmed a quandary I’ve had about you since yesterday.
That’s been the point I’ve been trying to relay for pages now.
Bious
November 21, 2013, 11:55pm
976
Azure:
*fake dots
Out of 10?
Keep that in mind. I’m getting Sikwidit vibes from him for some reason. I wanna look at some others like @Synonym before I commit.
Bious
November 22, 2013, 12:03am
977
3rdSTRikeLOVE:
Alright let’s get started…
Azure:
How was killing TCJ falling into a Mafia trap to kill the Detective?
You’re not merely connecting dots with statements like that.
You’re making fakecdots, and connecting them to real ones.
Ok, I never said it was mafia’s intent to lynch THE DETECTIVE, but I’m not the only one that feels the village was swayed in part by mafia to lynch coJones without good reason. The only one reaching is you by trying to cast suspicion my way…and you STILL haven’t answered for the statement of me giving my "points ( teeth ) away.
Bious:
3rdSTRikeLOVE:
Ok, after this I’m going to let the site catch up and try to answer everything at once
Bious:
RadicalFuzz:
Bious, let me make something clear.
There needs to be an Assassin before either faction gets to kill at night. The only way to get an Assassin is to Promote a Mafia. Assassinate and Promote are both Major actions. Only one Major action can be taken each night. It is impossible for a faction to have both Promoted a member to an Assassin and Assassinated somebody on Night 1.
Also, to the people saying he could’ve been killed by Doctor, that’s wrong. If the Doctor “cures” a starting Vampire the writeup will say “SoVi3t has been cured”. Obviously we’d know he was a Vampire and lynch him the following day, but he wouldn’t die from the Cure action.
Azure:
Vynce is in jail, true enough.
But roles were assigned at random.
Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.
…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.
Dracula specifically has the “Sacrifice” ability. If he was Jailed I don’t see how he could use that ability. Same goes for “Promote”
After re-reading the rules that does seem to be the case. So the Wolf attack theory is out.
3rdSTRikeLOVE:
How the fuck could the wolves have done it…they had no assassin yet ( this has been discussed and confirmed more than once )
Bious:
Because it accomplishes nothing as someone will always say there was X chance of something else happening.
And how are you so sure it was a Mafia trap?
I’m not 100 percent sure, but I REALLY don’t enjoy the idea of totally writing something off as “Van is gdlke”
And that’s exactly why I said to leave it to the coroner, yet you really want to keep pushing this.
Listen, I’ve explained this MORE than once, so please if you don’t believe me check the role again, ask PW, do whatever you have to do to wrap your head around this shit.
On another note, why do you keep trying to push me away from this?
@PW , just for clarification’s sake…if Dracula were to sacrifice a vampire and choose for him to die at the hands of Van Helsing, would the coroner be able to distinguish this from a legitimate VH kill?
Because no one would be stupid enough to sac Soviet as a Vampire on Night 1. The only advantage it would give is clearing people who suspected him of being Mafia as Vampires, and that is too big of a risk to take.
Why am I pushing you from this? Because you sound like you want Helsing to come out and say it was him who murked Soviet.
Actually if you look at my post, you’ll see that this is what I’m trying to prevent. I don’t know how more obvious I would have to be than to tell VH not to fall for the trap lol.
I’m glad for this, you just confirmed a quandary I’ve had about you since yesterday.
That’s been the point I’ve been trying to relay for pages now.
Please, do share your thoughts.
Bious
November 22, 2013, 12:29am
978
I’m still waiting 3rd, or are you being told what to say?
wh…what? I just wrote a freaking symposium about where I stand, and most like put some mafia cross-hairs on my back in doing so. What else is the to say?@Augustus
Augustus:
I was thinking that we’re bound to find at least up to three or two Mafia among The Co-Jones/MP votes. Possibly three or four including that No Lynch group. It seems like the safest route to hide inside large groups like that rather than going off and voting alone so you can draw attention to yourself. That’s exactly what Soviet did so it was probably easier for Van Helsing to scope him out.
Taking into consideration what I assume would be Soviet’s style of play, that list of suspects he gave are probably just random names. So Vynce, Missing Person, and orochizoolander join Azure and Bious in the group of people who likely aren’t vampires. And I take back what I said earlier about Aidebit not being cleared of being a vampire. He likely isn’t one as well.
And there is no way they used Sacrifice this early in the game, lol. There are zero benefits using it now and I don’t think a collective of anyone here would be that dumb. Van Helsing is just a boss~
Quick question…how did Azure and Bious get on that list of people originally?
(facepalm) the grammar makes me sad