SRK Mafia XI: Vampires Vs Werewolves - Game Over: Town Wins!

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

@ Chief
Yeah, while it’s possible that Dracula sac’d a Vampire last night, we benefit more than they do, so as pie said if Helsing made a good read, awesome. If SoVi3t was sacrificed, the entire Vampire team (with SoVi3t on it, he can be pretty sly) are idiots. Except for yomi with his list, there are almost no rewards from sacrificing SoVi3t on the first night as a Vampire. Remember that Dracula can make them appear however he wishes. If SoVi3t was sac’d, then why didn’t they make him a roleless townie?

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

We’d tell Van to stop killing if he killed a civ.

As for why, see below for your review…

Mafia Pros to Sacrifice:
-Implicate players who had discussions or involvement with SoVi3t. (Potentially Vynce)
-Have a member role claim Vigi to provoke the real Vigi to reveal himself. (Can’t do that unless Van makes an action at night).
-Cause confusion/control the thread.
-Provide a false sense of security/comfort to civs.

Mafia Cons to using Sacrifice:
-Lose a powerful player in order to hide the sacrifice and make it less believable.
-Lose a member. (But they can rerecruit a new powerful member the next night.
-If the real Vigi kills the same night, the whole plan fails.

Also, if you read the writeup, it doesn’t give hint to a battle or anything. It pretty much just says Van Helsing tripped and fell onto a Vampire body and when he rolled over, the sun light destroyed its body (paraphrasing). Of course the stories should give hints to action but from writers perspective that’s very hard to do regardless.

Naturally I can’t prove any of this, but in a game of treachery it is required to be treacherous.

I’m aware of the pros and cons, but I still feel that saccing SoVi3t night 1 would be a bad play, unless the other Vampire is just as good a player. That would mean that either he or Dracula had played in the same game, anywhere from the second Marvel 3 game back. Tomorrow night the Coroner will know if SoVi3t was sacrificed, since he would be killed by Vampires instead of Humans. As for the writeups, Pimp said going into the game that they’d be very vague with the story because of the multitude of ways people could** d**ie.

@3rdSTRikeLOVE
If a Mafia dies they don’t get a Last Gasp (barring being sacrificed as a Townie by Dracula)

Sacrifice states that the snuffie will die by ANY means that Dracula wishes, and the write-up already insinuated that it was the work of Van Helsing, either way the report would come up the same…unless I’m missing something

This is a good point. The story said it was Van Helsing. Not the end credits.

Wouldn’t that mean technically it may not have been Van that killed SoVi3t? I assume the only other possibility is the doctor so maybe since Van is only only other logical person who could’ve killed him, he was chosen.

What I’m saying is that the end credits will be the same if the coroner checks him due to Dracula’s Sacrifice ability. The ability states that "they die by ANY means Dracula wishes, and will be revealed as any role he wishes"
That only means two possible things could have happen ( I don’t know where you’re getting the doctor stuff from ) a:Van sniped him, b: he was sacrificed. That’s it. The only question is rather the coroner’s report will come up “killed by vampire” or “killed by human” I assume the Dracula ability would trump in this case if Soviet was indeed sacrificed.

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

[Bious]

The wolves could have killed him as well. It’s not 100% clear who targeted him.

And that’s it from me on how Soviet died.

[pietastic]

Night 1: Break of Dawn

July 7th
*Last night was… intriguing. I heard the sounds of werewolves howling in the night, enough to wake me from my sleep in cold sweat. It felt like something was watching me from the window, but when I looked, nothing was there… and the feeling was gone. I think they know I am here, luckily I do not think they can get me. Either that, or they just enjoy tortuing me.

Just before the sun rose over the horizon, we all cautiously emerged from our domiciles. Vynce was freed from Jail, cursing at the others for forcing him in there all night. Azure stretched as he exited the Town Hall alone, content with his good nights sleep. The rest of us were not so well rested as him, leading to him catching more than one angry gaze.

But more interesting is what we found slumped over the stocks, chained in place; the beaten body of a man handcuffed to the stocks. We approached cautiously, and were glad we did; I saw the yellow in his eyes, and the hiss as he tried to lunge at us. The two large fangs were a sure sign.

“This is a vampire” I told the crowd. A few of the weaker ones gasped and fainted. I stepped closer. I knew we had Van Helsing to thank for this. The face looked up at me. I noticed his was smoking quite noticeably. I looked backwards over my shoulder, and the sun was starting to peek over the tops of the buildings. I smiled, and looked back at him, positioning myself so the shadow covered his face.

“Any last words, SoVi3t?” I laughed. He sneered, giving me the dirtiest look I had seen in my 30 odd years on the earth. Just as he started to speak, I stepped sideways, bathing him in direct sunlight. He writhed in agony, and was burnt into ash on the spot.*

**Sovi3t **was Killed!
**SoVi3t **was a Vampire!

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It is now Day Phase. Day 2 will end at 9:00 AM PST on Friday November 22nd

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Bolded for emphasis… the narrator thinks Helsing did it, but it’s not for sure.

[Bious]

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

1. Because it accomplishes nothing as someone will always say there was X chance of something else happening.
2. And how are you so sure it was a Mafia trap?

[The_Chief]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

[GodotsRevenge]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

Well, how can they?

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

Mafia couldn’t have known Coco was Detective. We got unlucky.

[The_Chief]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

Well, how can they?

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

Mafia couldn’t have known Coco was Detective. We got unlucky.

By exploiting an oversight that we may not have seen? We’ve been question rules to this moment. Why assume we suddenly grasp everything.

@3s - Apparently only Helsing and the Doctor have the ability to kill N1. Ironically, it was overlooked that so can Dracula if he uses Sacrifice.

[The_Chief]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

Well, how can they?

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

Mafia couldn’t have known Coco was Detective. We got unlucky.

And WTF do you mean “WE”!?

[The_Chief]

lol - I’m trippin’. You said “unlucky”.

[Azure]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

Well, how can they?

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

Mafia couldn’t have known Coco was Detective. We got unlucky.

This.

So VERY MUCH this.

I do not think 3SLove was using bad English - I think he flubbed, and gave his points (teeth) away, with that post.

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

The wolves could have killed him as well. It’s not 100% clear who targeted him.

And that’s it from me on how Soviet died.

How the fuck could the wolves have done it…they had no assassin yet ( this has been discussed and confirmed more than once )

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

1. Because it accomplishes nothing as someone will always say there was X chance of something else happening.
2. And how are you so sure it was a Mafia trap?

I’m not 100 percent sure, but I REALLY don’t enjoy the idea of totally writing something off as “Van is gdlke”

[Azure]

Also, food for thought.

Adam reinvents himself in these games more often than he changes handles.

I was cautiously optimistic that he was on our (the civs) side.

But I am absolutely at a loss as to why he wants to explore the deficit angle so hard.

That said, however…

Vynce is in jail, true enough.

But roles were assigned at random.

Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.

…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

Everyone believes mafia can’t kill N1.

Well, how can they?

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

Mafia couldn’t have known Coco was Detective. We got unlucky.

I’m not insinuating that they knew Coco was detective…only that he wasn’t part of the PM. So we ( I say “we” talking about the group even though I was against the shit ) were led to making a very bad decision. I’m just trying not to let the mafia have they’re way with the group again.

[The_Chief]

Also, food for thought.
**
Adam reinvents himself in these games more often than he changes handles.

I was cautiously optimistic that he was on our (the civs) side.**

But I am absolutely at a loss as to why he wants to explore the deficit angle so hard.

That said, however…

Vynce is in jail, true enough.

But roles were assigned at random.

Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.

…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.

Read the Phoenix Write game Kaz/Crotch chapter for ref.

[RadicalFuzz]

The wolves could have killed him as well. It’s not 100% clear who targeted him.

Bious, let me make something clear.

There needs to be an Assassin before either faction gets to kill at night. The only way to get an Assassin is to Promote a Mafia. Assassinate and Promote are both Major actions. Only one Major action can be taken each night. It is impossible for a faction to have both Promoted a member to an Assassin and Assassinated somebody on Night 1.

Also, to the people saying he could’ve been killed by Doctor, that’s wrong. If the Doctor “cures” a starting Vampire the writeup will say “SoVi3t has been cured”. Obviously we’d know he was a Vampire and lynch him the following day, but he wouldn’t die from the Cure action.

Vynce is in jail, true enough.

But roles were assigned at random.

Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.

…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.

Dracula specifically has the “Sacrifice” ability. If he was Jailed I don’t see how he could use that ability. Same goes for “Promote”

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

By exploiting an oversight that we may not have seen? We’ve been question rules to this moment. Why assume we suddenly grasp everything.

@3s - Apparently only Helsing and the Doctor have the ability to kill N1. Ironically, it was overlooked that so can Dracula if he uses Sacrifice.

Fuck chief, I genuinely thought I would be able to somewhat trust you as a civ…you’re playing way too coy about this ish. I wish I knew if you were just planning something for later or what. I’m mindfracked again

[RadicalFuzz]

^
I wasn’t clear, the above is going on the assumption that Vynce is Dracula and SoVi3t was sacrificed. I believe that would be impossible given the rules.

[The_Chief]

Also, when different theories arise, you’ll notice that some people openly embrace the face value of events while rejecting analysis. It makes it easier to see whose trying to deter progress and who’s helping.

Thats key in figuring out whose working together.

For example, if an analytical player suddenly stops being analytical, that could br seen as a tell.

[Bious]

The wolves could have killed him as well. It’s not 100% clear who targeted him.

Bious, let me make something clear.

There needs to be an Assassin before either faction gets to kill at night. The only way to get an Assassin is to Promote a Mafia. Assassinate and Promote are both Major actions. Only one Major action can be taken each night. It is impossible for a faction to have both Promoted a member to an Assassin and Assassinated somebody on Night 1.

Also, to the people saying he could’ve been killed by Doctor, that’s wrong. If the Doctor “cures” a starting Vampire the writeup will say “SoVi3t has been cured”. Obviously we’d know he was a Vampire and lynch him the following day, but he wouldn’t die from the Cure action.

Vynce is in jail, true enough.

But roles were assigned at random.

Just because he was jailed, and a potential sacrifice was made, does not exonorate him of being the vamp leader.

…it could also mean that Drac is deferring to a more savvy Initiate, for tactics.

Dracula specifically has the “Sacrifice” ability. If he was Jailed I don’t see how he could use that ability. Same goes for “Promote”

After re-reading the rules that does seem to be the case. So the Wolf attack theory is out.

The wolves could have killed him as well. It’s not 100% clear who targeted him.

And that’s it from me on how Soviet died.

How the fuck could the wolves have done it…they had no assassin yet ( this has been discussed and confirmed more than once )

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

The coroner won’t be able to confirm if it was a clean hit or not. Are you serious? We already played into the Mafia’s trap the first day and got rid of our detective, why wouldn’t we want to explore what the enemy is up to this time around?

1. Because it accomplishes nothing as someone will always say there was X chance of something else happening.
2. And how are you so sure it was a Mafia trap?

I’m not 100 percent sure, but I REALLY don’t enjoy the idea of totally writing something off as “Van is gdlke”

And that’s exactly why I said to leave it to the coroner, yet you really want to keep pushing this.