SRK Mafia XI: Vampires Vs Werewolves - Game Over: Town Wins!

[The_Chief]

Noted. I like the idea that our Vigi is talkin’ shit to niggas.

“Omae wa mo shin deiru.” - Van Helsing

Niggas that would be talking shit are mafiosos, Van Helsing is not going to put a target on his back. I’m not even sure if you meant anything by that, lol

I’m essentially saying, Van made an amazing read and could win the game for us if he keeps up this level of play.

[Missing_Person]

Can this Poo fuker be banned already?

Anyways, I’m retracting my beef with DarkGeneral. I think you’re a towns folk just like me.

That dipshit has followed me around the internet since I exposed the fact that he’s literally trailer park trash on SRK while he was on here talking shit.

I’m not the only one he’s harassed. Apparently he’s had harassment charges pressed on him by TwinGalaxies referees too.

[Azure]

Rocky Rose.

With a name like that, is it any surprise he turned out a flag it?

[Pimp_Willy]

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

Somebody asked that earlier, sorry I wasn’t around during the last few hours of the phase, but as soon as you are bitten, you are considered part of that faction, and victory is tied to that faction winning. So if you are bitten, but not promoted, you’re still a vampire/werewolf for purposes of winning until you’re cured.

[Azure]

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

Somebody asked that earlier, sorry I wasn’t around during the last few hours of the phase, but as soon as you are bitten, you are considered part of that faction, and victory is tied to that faction winning. So if you are bitten, but not promoted, you’re still a vampire/werewolf for purposes of winning until you’re cured.

So are converts’ loyalty at whim, then?

[The_Chief]

@ Chief
Yeah, while it’s possible that Dracula sac’d a Vampire last night, we benefit more than they do, so as pie said if Helsing made a good read, awesome. If SoVi3t was sacrificed, the entire Vampire team (with SoVi3t on it, he can be pretty sly) are idiots. Except for yomi with his list, there are almost no rewards from sacrificing SoVi3t on the first night as a Vampire. Remember that Dracula can make them appear however he wishes. If SoVi3t was sac’d, then why didn’t they make him a roleless townie?

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

We’d tell Van to stop killing if he killed a civ.

As for why, see below for your review…

Mafia Pros to Sacrifice:
-Implicate players who had discussions or involvement with SoVi3t. (Potentially Vynce)
-Have a member role claim Vigi to provoke the real Vigi to reveal himself. (Can’t do that unless Van makes an action at night).
-Cause confusion/control the thread.
-Provide a false sense of security/comfort to civs.

Mafia Cons to using Sacrifice:
-Lose a powerful player in order to hide the sacrifice and make it less believable.
-Lose a member. (But they can rerecruit a new powerful member the next night.
-If the real Vigi kills the same night, the whole plan fails.

Also, if you read the writeup, it doesn’t give hint to a battle or anything. It pretty much just says Van Helsing tripped and fell onto a Vampire body and when he rolled over, the sun light destroyed its body (paraphrasing). Of course the stories should give hints to action but from writers perspective that’s very hard to do regardless.

Naturally I can’t prove any of this, but in a game of treachery it is required to be treacherous.

[Combo_Knight]

I’m burning toast right now.

Check me out …

At face value, this is what happened last night:

• 1 Vampire is dead (2 remaining)
• Van Helsing is flippin’ amazing

At Burnt Toast value, this is what happened last night:

• 1 Vampire is dead (2 remaining)
• SoVi3t was sacrificed.
• Van Helsing did nothing last night

Looking deeper in to the Jesus Toast™ scenario, if SoVi3t was sacrificed that means that no Vampire was promoted. This would mean that at night 2, they remain in the same situation as they were in at night 1 with the inability to kill, or convert (unless Dracula is able to promote multiple initiates/converts at once).

That said, it makes me wonder if whoever Dracula is doesn’t understand their role? Too unlikely? Maybe. If the player comes in a reads the role card, it says his ability is to sacrifice a Vampire so… he sacrificed a Vampire. Promote is clearly the better option though right? Why sacrifice first and remain powerless to kill?

Now, looking back at the face value scenario, how likely is it that Van Helsing tags a Mafia (this term is important to make my point) on his first shot?

If Van Helsing is this good we automatically win. But isn’t it convenient that Van hits a Mafia, who is a Vampire, who’s leader has the ability to sacrifice any Vampire to die by the hands of any role he wants?

Suddenly the Jesus Toast™ scenario looks like well… let me just say amen.

Thoughts?

Highly Lycan. This is what I’m going to keep in mind. No one in the mafia games has a read so well they can just gouge on the first night, not without a second voice in their ear.

I read Soviet as dirty from his first post.

It is possible.

Especially with a vigilante with a Hecatom-esque trigger finger.

I wouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. one lucky break isn’t saving our skin entirely, people make mistakes

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

I was listening to music and this song popped up…seemed appropriate.

*I’ll try to sum up the post.

I don’t buy Dracula sacrificing one of his starting vamps on night 1. The only thing it does is give us civs a moral boost and make Hellsing look gdlk. Not to mention Soviet and whoever the other vampire is would probably have had to think it was a good idea in the first place. Which I have a hard time believing. If Dracula did sacrifice one of his cronies then for the love of god VAN HELLSING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Sit back, relax and laugh at the vampires stupidity.

But for all intents and purposes I think the real Van Hellsing made a gdlk kill. It doesn’t matter if it was a lucky guess or if it was a gdlk read on his part. *

If it was deception, getting Van Helsing would have been one hope for the action.

Noted. I like the idea that our Vigi is talkin’ shit to niggas.

“Omae wa mo shin deiru.” - Van Helsing

Niggas that would be talking shit are mafiosos, Van Helsing is not going to put a target on his back. I’m not even sure if you meant anything by that, lol

I’m essentially saying, Van made an amazing read and could win the game for us if he keeps up this level of play.

That is if the Vigilante actual killed soviet. I’m extremely curious what his last gasp is going contain.

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

*getting Van helsing to RC rather sorry

[Bious]

So assuming the list Soviet gave me had no vampires on it, he probably hit some wolves. Let’s not forget he was hunting for them as well. I’d like to get a consensus on that.

[Hecatom]

I’m burning toast right now.

Check me out …

At face value, this is what happened last night:

• 1 Vampire is dead (2 remaining)
• Van Helsing is flippin’ amazing

At Burnt Toast value, this is what happened last night:

• 1 Vampire is dead (2 remaining)
• SoVi3t was sacrificed.
• Van Helsing did nothing last night

Looking deeper in to the Jesus Toast™ scenario, if SoVi3t was sacrificed that means that no Vampire was promoted. This would mean that at night 2, they remain in the same situation as they were in at night 1 with the inability to kill, or convert (unless Dracula is able to promote multiple initiates/converts at once).

That said, it makes me wonder if whoever Dracula is doesn’t understand their role? Too unlikely? Maybe. If the player comes in a reads the role card, it says his ability is to sacrifice a Vampire so… he sacrificed a Vampire. Promote is clearly the better option though right? Why sacrifice first and remain powerless to kill?

Now, looking back at the face value scenario, how likely is it that Van Helsing tags a Mafia (this term is important to make my point) on his first shot?

If Van Helsing is this good we automatically win. But isn’t it convenient that Van hits a Mafia, who is a Vampire, who’s leader has the ability to sacrifice any Vampire to die by the hands of any role he wants?

Suddenly the Jesus Toast™ scenario looks like well… let me just say amen.

Thoughts?

Highly Lycan. This is what I’m going to keep in mind. No one in the mafia games has a read so well they can just gouge on the first night, not without a second voice in their ear.

I read Soviet as dirty from his first post.

It is possible.

Especially with a vigilante with a Hecatom-esque trigger finger.

Is like it will never live down , specially because i wasn’t that terrible or at least is what i think :wonder:

[RadicalFuzz]

@ Chief
Yeah, while it’s possible that Dracula sac’d a Vampire last night, we benefit more than they do, so as pie said if Helsing made a good read, awesome. If SoVi3t was sacrificed, the entire Vampire team (with SoVi3t on it, he can be pretty sly) are idiots. Except for yomi with his list, there are almost no rewards from sacrificing SoVi3t on the first night as a Vampire. Remember that Dracula can make them appear however he wishes. If SoVi3t was sac’d, then why didn’t they make him a roleless townie?

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

We’d tell Van to stop killing if he killed a civ.

As for why, see below for your review…

Mafia Pros to Sacrifice:
-Implicate players who had discussions or involvement with SoVi3t. (Potentially Vynce)
-Have a member role claim Vigi to provoke the real Vigi to reveal himself. (Can’t do that unless Van makes an action at night).
-Cause confusion/control the thread.
-Provide a false sense of security/comfort to civs.

Mafia Cons to using Sacrifice:
-Lose a powerful player in order to hide the sacrifice and make it less believable.
-Lose a member. (But they can rerecruit a new powerful member the next night.
-If the real Vigi kills the same night, the whole plan fails.

Also, if you read the writeup, it doesn’t give hint to a battle or anything. It pretty much just says Van Helsing tripped and fell onto a Vampire body and when he rolled over, the sun light destroyed its body (paraphrasing). Of course the stories should give hints to action but from writers perspective that’s very hard to do regardless.

Naturally I can’t prove any of this, but in a game of treachery it is required to be treacherous.

I’m aware of the pros and cons, but I still feel that saccing SoVi3t night 1 would be a bad play, unless the other Vampire is just as good a player. That would mean that either he or Dracula had played in the same game, anywhere from the second Marvel 3 game back. Tomorrow night the Coroner will know if SoVi3t was sacrificed, since he would be killed by Vampires instead of Humans. As for the writeups, Pimp said going into the game that they’d be very vague with the story because of the multitude of ways people could** d**ie.

@3rdSTRikeLOVE
If a Mafia dies they don’t get a Last Gasp (barring being sacrificed as a Townie by Dracula)

[Combo_Knight]

So assuming the list Soviet gave me had no vampires on it, he probably hit some wolves. Let’s not forget he was hunting for them as well. I’d like to get a consensus on that.

So what was the list here?

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

So assuming the list Soviet gave me had no vampires on it, he probably hit some wolves. Let’s not forget he was hunting for them as well. I’d like to get a consensus on that.

unless he threw one in to keep up appearances…

[Bious]

So assuming the list Soviet gave me had no vampires on it, he probably hit some wolves. Let’s not forget he was hunting for them as well. I’d like to get a consensus on that.

So what was the list here?

Vynce, Zoolander, and Missing.
To be honest those names have been thrown around a lot.

[The_Chief]

So assuming the list Soviet gave me had no vampires on it, he probably hit some wolves. Let’s not forget he was hunting for them as well. I’d like to get a consensus on that.

Im aware of this.

I’m toying with an idea considering Vynces situation (not sure it its still on going).

Just because, Vynce can’t make an action doesn’t mean he’s clear of being a Vampire considering last nights actions. The Wolves next night action can reveal a lot about Vynce.

If they want to implicate him as Lucian, they just don’t have to kill anyone on night 2 and make it seem like they couldn’t.

In a way that’s coaching the mafia but it also buys a day of life for potentially one of our civs if they choose to do that.

Same for the Vampires, if they want to send the message that Vynce is a Vamp initiate, they only have to not kill on night 2 and we could assume Vynce wasn’t able to be promoted. (This one is more unlikely because in that case they would’ve had to promote SoVi3t instead of sacrificing him if they didn’t want to fall behind on gaining the ability to kill).

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

@ Chief
Yeah, while it’s possible that Dracula sac’d a Vampire last night, we benefit more than they do, so as pie said if Helsing made a good read, awesome. If SoVi3t was sacrificed, the entire Vampire team (with SoVi3t on it, he can be pretty sly) are idiots. Except for yomi with his list, there are almost no rewards from sacrificing SoVi3t on the first night as a Vampire. Remember that Dracula can make them appear however he wishes. If SoVi3t was sac’d, then why didn’t they make him a roleless townie?

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

We’d tell Van to stop killing if he killed a civ.

As for why, see below for your review…

Mafia Pros to Sacrifice:
-Implicate players who had discussions or involvement with SoVi3t. (Potentially Vynce)
-Have a member role claim Vigi to provoke the real Vigi to reveal himself. (Can’t do that unless Van makes an action at night).
-Cause confusion/control the thread.
-Provide a false sense of security/comfort to civs.

Mafia Cons to using Sacrifice:
-Lose a powerful player in order to hide the sacrifice and make it less believable.
-Lose a member. (But they can rerecruit a new powerful member the next night.
-If the real Vigi kills the same night, the whole plan fails.

Also, if you read the writeup, it doesn’t give hint to a battle or anything. It pretty much just says Van Helsing tripped and fell onto a Vampire body and when he rolled over, the sun light destroyed its body (paraphrasing). Of course the stories should give hints to action but from writers perspective that’s very hard to do regardless.

Naturally I can’t prove any of this, but in a game of treachery it is required to be treacherous.

I’m aware of the pros and cons, but I still feel that saccing SoVi3t night 1 would be a bad play, unless the other Vampire is just as good a player. That would mean that either he or Dracula had played in the same game, anywhere from the second Marvel 3 game back. Tomorrow night the Coroner will know if SoVi3t was sacrificed, since he would be killed by Vampires instead of Humans. As for the writeups, Pimp said going into the game that they’d be very vague with the story because of the multitude of ways people could** d**ie.

@3rdSTRikeLOVE
If a Mafia dies they don’t get a Last Gasp (barring being sacrificed as a Townie by Dracula)

Sacrifice states that the snuffie will die by ANY means that Dracula wishes, and the write-up already insinuated that it was the work of Van Helsing, either way the report would come up the same…unless I’m missing something

[The_Chief]

@ Chief
Yeah, while it’s possible that Dracula sac’d a Vampire last night, we benefit more than they do, so as pie said if Helsing made a good read, awesome. If SoVi3t was sacrificed, the entire Vampire team (with SoVi3t on it, he can be pretty sly) are idiots. Except for yomi with his list, there are almost no rewards from sacrificing SoVi3t on the first night as a Vampire. Remember that Dracula can make them appear however he wishes. If SoVi3t was sac’d, then why didn’t they make him a roleless townie?

@ OZ
If a civilian is bitten they “become an initiate of that faction” which implies that they win if that faction wins and no longer are tied to civilian victory.

We’d tell Van to stop killing if he killed a civ.

As for why, see below for your review…

Mafia Pros to Sacrifice:
-Implicate players who had discussions or involvement with SoVi3t. (Potentially Vynce)
-Have a member role claim Vigi to provoke the real Vigi to reveal himself. (Can’t do that unless Van makes an action at night).
-Cause confusion/control the thread.
-Provide a false sense of security/comfort to civs.

Mafia Cons to using Sacrifice:
-Lose a powerful player in order to hide the sacrifice and make it less believable.
-Lose a member. (But they can rerecruit a new powerful member the next night.
-If the real Vigi kills the same night, the whole plan fails.

Also, if you read the writeup, it doesn’t give hint to a battle or anything. It pretty much just says Van Helsing tripped and fell onto a Vampire body and when he rolled over, the sun light destroyed its body (paraphrasing). Of course the stories should give hints to action but from writers perspective that’s very hard to do regardless.

Naturally I can’t prove any of this, but in a game of treachery it is required to be treacherous.

I’m aware of the pros and cons, but I still feel that saccing SoVi3t night 1 would be a bad play, unless the other Vampire is just as good a player. That would mean that either he or Dracula had played in the same game, anywhere from the second Marvel 3 game back. Tomorrow night the Coroner will know if SoVi3t was sacrificed, since he would be killed by Vampires instead of Humans. As for the writeups, Pimp said going into the game that they’d be very vague with the story because of the multitude of ways people could** d**ie.

@3rdSTRikeLOVE
If a Mafia dies they don’t get a Last Gasp (barring being sacrificed as a Townie by Dracula)

Sacrifice states that the snuffie will die by ANY means that Dracula wishes, and the write-up already insinuated that it was the work of Van Helsing, either way the report would come up the same…unless I’m missing something

This is a good point. The story said it was Van Helsing. Not the end credits.

Wouldn’t that mean technically it may not have been Van that killed SoVi3t? I assume the only other possibility is the doctor so maybe since Van is only only other logical person who could’ve killed him, he was chosen.

[Bious]

Right now let’s stop talking about how Soviet died and let the coroner find out. No use arguing about whether it was a clean hit or not. He’s dead, move on.

[Bious]

And before I forget Soviet mentioned @Bulldancer as well.