Is it the lowest count of the thread or overall for Akuma’s kill? And if he shows his evil to a Capcom can the target reveal him to the thread?
And no random role blurting? I.e. someone saying a random is Wesker even though he isn’t?
If the current rule does not change and if the civs can convince Dark Pee to form an alliance, then this game is over w/ civ’s victory:
- DP offers his/her head, along w/ the list of all the mafia (except Akuma, and you will have a list of… 6?). Day 1: Dark Pee dies (actually he does not die, but turn into civ).
- Night 1 + 2: Viewtiful joe = 2 mafia
- Night 1: Arthur call to arms = 2 mafia along w/ him
- day 2 + 3: two remaining mafia lynch
By day 4, we will only left w/ Akuma.
While the above tactic is extremely cheap, it’s unfortunately the only way Civs have chance to win. In fact, by doing so Dark P’s chance of winning is also much higher than if she did not comply and is forced to turn into phoenix at the end. It would almost be Dark P’s absolute interest to do so as well.
(At least if I was Dark P, I’d do that.)
I can’t wait to grudge fuck people’s minds 
But yeah, I doubt the game has started, haha… There are way too many things that need to be fixed atm. Don’t do anything drastic, guys. 
Of course if you were another mafia, you could pretend to be dark phoenix and pull the same stunt, only giving a list of names that wasn’t really mafia, making the Civs off themselves in one night. Since Phoenix doesn’t rise for 3 nights, that means you wouldn’t know if they were telling the truth until it might be too late ; )
Also, I’m sad the forum is going down on the weekend the game is starting
Pimp Willy, take a look at civ’s action on day 1.
If the mafia offers his head and lies, then he would die as mafia. If it’s the real Dark pee, he will not die. This should be simple enough to determine if they are trying to blend in.:tup: And yup yup, it’s fool proof.
On top of that, since when was the last time you nabbed a mafia on day 1 w/o them fuck up? It’s against mafia’s interest to come out as a decoy, since we ARE going to kill DP in the first place.:badboy:
Thats why I’m wondering if that kind of fraud would be allowed. Claiming to have roles you don’t. I think if on reveals themselves as something then they should tell the truth but thats me.
Huh? Reconstruction?
Yeah, Dark Phoenix is gonna get nerfed when I get home. Some other roles are also getting changes before the game starts.
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It does not matter whether or not he or she lies to be one, since there is 0 advantage that the civ would come out to lie as the dark pee. Do note that we are “activate” Dark pee to convert him into civ, so we ARE killing him on day 1. That itself is mafia, 100%.
This leaves only two roles that may lie as dark Pee:
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Dark Pee himself: On day 1, we kill him. Lynch story will tell whether or not he converts. If it’s the real dark pee himself, he will not die.
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Mafia: On day 1, we kill him. Lynch story will tell us that he’s a mafia other than dark pee.
If multiple mafia claimed to be dark pee, then we go after all of them before going for the list once we determine the right “dark pee”
No worries. You just have to wait until I post up Day 1 then you can begin playing :karate:
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Can’t the Mafia communicate? Why would they kill their own? But if they actually do kill DPhoenix then she cant convert?
Akuma targets the three lowest post counts in the thread overall.
The target can reveal Akuma to the thread, yes.
Random role blurting is allowed, with some exceptions I’ll get into later. This game is all about deception and mind games, and this is part of that.
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This is true love in the making. Count me in.
You’re kinda late, mang. But I will sneak you in. 
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Yes! Thank you.
Obviously SWB will change Dark Pee’s power a bit.
But if you read my post carefully, under the current rule, if Dark Pee ever gets lynched, he would turn into civ after 3 days, and then is granted 3 days of immunity.
^ This is very important, since there are only 4 scenarios that Dart Pee would be in:
- Dark pee stays alive along w/ mafia players. (decent chance for Dark pee to win as a mafia)
- Dark pee dies later in the game, w/ mafia members being lynched one after another (in this case, civ would win before Dark Pee converts into civ. Dark Pee loses)
- Dark pee dies early in the game, w/ mafia members being lynched one after another (in this case, Dark pee really should just give out the list to civ, since he would be civ at the end)
- Dark pee dies early in the game, w/ mafia members going strong (in this case, dark pee would lose along w/ the civs)
Out of these two scenarios, dark pee could either lay low w/ mafia, or leave mafia all together and win w/ civ. The later would give him an almost sure-victory since we are looking for a single mafia member to kill after day 4. Therefore, it would be Dark Pee’s interest to “betray” his mafia member and give himself to the civ, and be converted early, and remains invincible til day 6. Do note that his action of betrayal is completely independent to the mafia communication.
A while ago willy questioned that if it’s possible that mafia would lie to be dark pee and try to misdirect civilians…
this would actually not work for mafia either, since our target on day 1 is actually not the ones in the list, but the one that offers the list. If mafia other than dark pee is killed, then we will know his role based on the story. Because of that, his false list would never work.
I guess when you die the roles are revealed, so you would know if they’re DP or not. I was going under the assumption that it would take 3 days before Phoenix rising again to actually know their true role. If DP dies, and then is just revealed that they are mafia without revealing the role of the mafia that died, it would be possible to throw people off. It’s not that DP doesn’t die, it’s just they rise 3 days after their death, so you would kill “DP” one night 1 and get the whole fake list, then go off on the first night killing civs and blowing special powers to get multiple kills, all killing civs, before you realized it was too late. But it’s all dependent on how the mafia roles are revealed after their lynching.
Anyway it’s pointless to worry about it until we see how the roles change : ) It seems to make more sense that Phoenix starts out as a civilian, and then if she is lynched/killed she rises as Dark Phoenix and joins the Marvel side. That kind of bleeds into Weskers role though.
And of course you can lie to throw others off, that’s how the whole game works. It would be silly if when somebody posted their role we knew it to be 100% true.
Willy: The thing is, there is more incentive for DP to come out than for mafia. Under normal circumstances, it would be stupid for mafia to come out if DP has not. For DP, it’s an absolute advantage to do so. For mafia, the only reason why they wanna do it is to confuse the civs, w/ the cost of their own.
If mafia (who isn’t DP) comes out as a fake DP, there is even MORE incentive for the real DP to come out, since it only makes civ winning much faster. In the situation where we have two conflicting list, we can target the ones that appear on both lists, since at least one of them is correct.
The part about lying is true. However if you do not get any advantage from lying, you will not. In the real/fake DP case, there is no incentive for mafia to lie until the real DP comes out, hence my reasoning.
but yes, I agree w/ u on the alteration of DP role change, but since the role has already been assigned and DP already knows his mafia members, it would be unfair for him to start as a civ for now.
And again, we do have a bit too many mafia in the # of players. I guess assigning new roles can be fun (lol SWB), so it’s quite easy for the game moderator to lose sight on the power balance issue.