SRK Mafia II

General Discussion
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have you not been reading my posts, ** supreme jd**? i know you have to be little bit smarter than that to pass up my reasons why he’s a civilian. why don’t you like my aggressive style of play? because it’s actually getting people to realize that you’re an actual mafia member along with ** kane_warhead**? who wouldn’t be annoyed when you’re reasons on lynching an inactive person just got foiled by me.

you know what civilians, if you guys want to, please put your votes on either ** supreme jd** or i, ** great cow lord** and take your votes off of ** red_d** we are going to need that “get out of jail free card”. unlike, supreme jd and kane_warhead , i am willing to put my stay here on the line. don’t worry you guys i’ll have a great last gasp waiting.

/ ** supreme jd** :you’re not supposed to be editing your post in a mafia game.

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i have never been notified of that rule. i was just adding more to my post anyway.

83

Guys, the mafia is being successful in making us turn into an unruly mob, which is the only way they can win. DO NOT LET THEM DO THIS TO YOU.

Keep the first round simple, vote out the SRK troll REDd on the basis that he is a troll who was only on this forum to mess with us, and only in this game to mess it up.

After the first round, we can look at 2 things:

  1. Was he mafia? If he is, then this is a very clear cut win for us; everyone who jumped out to save him obviously knew he was mafia, and we win this game easy

  2. Was he a civilian? If he is, then we can start breaking down who voted alongside who, look at who the mafia tries to hit, and deduce who they are from there.

Throwing all these other names into the mix only serves the mafias agenda to turn us against ourselves, which they have done.

KEEP. IT. SIMPLE. Vote out redd on the basis he brings nothing of value to this game, and then let’s take a look at the situation and go from there.

84

fair enough Pimp Willy, glad to see someone is trying to actually make sense with their arguments. Changing my vote to RED_D

85

Pimp Willy’s Banchosity cannot be denied.
Changing my vote to RED_D

86

i’m down with that, changing my vote to RedD

87

Looks to me like GCL is trying to take the heat off RedD for some reason. It makes me really suspect that RedD and GCL are mafia. What is unfortunate is that the mafia is already automatically losing someone because he’s a dumb troll lol. He’s already eliminated so I don’t see what the reason of not lynching him would be beside stalling the mafia’s population ratio compared to the civilians or vice versa but I’m leaning on him actually being mafia because of GCL’s actions (pointing at various people like he knows exactly who everyone is). And like other people said, it sounds like GCL has a personal vendetta against JD.

Also I don’t think it matters who votes first since this wasn’t the case in the previous game we played. It’s not a good enough evidence to lynch someone. I find that it’s a lazy excuse to lynch someone iyam. And for now JD didn’t do anything in particuliar that would make me suspect him so far.

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Wow the mafia screwed up pretty big, we definitely know of at least a handful of them. This is the first round, too…y’all done messed up :smokin:

Ok, let me inject some math into this. MATHEMATICALLY, if someone is playing this forum version of mafia, and is not able to post(banned or whatever), then for the civilian’s sake, LEAVE HIM IN THE GAME! It makes total sense for civilians to keep someone like RedD in the game, even if he is an annoying person (I agree on that).

If he’s mafia, he’ll be the easiest to get rid of at the ENDGAME! If he’s an innocent civilian, having him alive gives us ONE EXTRA CHANCE to figure things out. Honestly, this is all mathematically sound. Or logically. I think logic is the better adjective. Woops.

WHICH MEANS…the people arguing for RedD’s lynching are mafia, or just not logically inclined.
I have a feeling that great cow lord has it all figured out…but honestly, I came to the same conclusions as he did quite easily. The mafia messed up big this game…

I have to admit, though; having a banned member participate is quite the interesting factor. I don’t think he should be eliminated purely on that basis, whether it’s a lynching or a mod decision. I mean, look at all this fascinating discussion. Quite the interesting factor…I find RedD to be lynch-worthy just because of his reputation as an idiot, but that is exactly what the mafia are counting on in this initial vote; for you to be swayed just by his reputation (which is outside of this game). Ironically, RedD’s greatest value to this forum will be in his absence in SRK Mafia II :rofl:

So, in summary…the obvious mafia members are:

supreme jd
Lantis
Pimp Willy
Symbolic (he tried to cover his tracks but this one is also obvious IMHO)

With this knowledge, this means that the civilians have a MASSIVE advantage. There remain only 2 mafia members who were smart enough to not get involved. I have my reservations about one other person but there is enough doubt in my mind to where I will not name that person yet…In any case, great odds for the civilians to win this game.

Voting for supreme jd this round.

Just to re-iterate the implied, Pimp Willy’s “argument” in post #83 for voting for RedD is non-existent. Read it over again. Leaving RedD in the game is of TOTAL VALUE to the civilians. He just wants to kill for killing’s sake to get it over with; sounds like a mafia to me…:cool:

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I’m a little bit late, but here is the first 24 hour Tally:

RedD: 11 votes
supreme jd: 5 votes
great cow lord: 1 vote
kane_warhead: 1 vote

EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE A VOTE CANNOT CHANGE THEIR VOTES ANYMORE. ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT VOTES YET OR PEOPLE WHO STAYED/RETURNED TO NEUTRAL CAN VOTE FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

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WOW. Why prolong it, then? Civilians can only hope to tie RedD and supreme jd, since there are only 6 people who haven’t voted, and guess what, RedD is banned. Which means, he can’t vote for supreme jd and automatically gets lynched. I never liked this “changing of votes” anyway; it does nothing good for the concept of a timeline in which to vote. It can only be counter-productive.

Please reconsider the rules, at least for this round…and make votes more permanent so people actually put some thought into their decision. In either case, the information is still there; we’ve lost RedD who is a GUARANTEED CIVILIAN, but anyway the mafia still messed up badly enough for us to take at least half of them out for the next few rounds.

Allow the people to change their votes JUST for this round, please…otherwise, just lynch the damn troll and move the game along…

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Seriously all you guys blindly voting for redd just because you hate them are idiots and if we lose it will be your fault for putting us on the wrong start. This guy had some pretty damn sound logic but noooooo, everyone just says “I hate redd so he gets my vote”.

Read the above posts and see that lynching jd makes more sense then a random hunch like redd, keep in mind I voted for redd before reading GCL’s well thought out posts. Anyways the dude is RISKING his own life to make a point that by itself is enough for me to give him some credit.

Anyways if you guys still want redd out or even GCL then whatever just vote for him next time but please for now at least LYNCH JD.

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How is RedD a guaranteed civilian?

If RedD is banned he can’t play. If he can’t play he will be eliminated due to being banned/inactivity. There is no logical reason to guarantee that RedD is a civilian because he never posted after the game started. He could be just as much mafia as he is a civilian. By voting to get rid of the inactive player, the civilians will not be risking more bodies than is deemed necessary. If everybody votes for RedD and he turns out to be a civilian than the count of civilians will only drop to 17 (including the civilian that the mafia will kill during nightfall). If everybody votes to kill off another individual and is WRONG than the civilian count drops to 16 (due to the mafia kill and RedD’s inactivity).

It makes more logical sense to kill off the inactive players first because they serve no logical purpose within the game and it will minimize the potential civilian casualties that can occur throughout the game.

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Does anyone know how long RedD is banned for?

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or he’s bluffing lol… just because he’s risking his own “life” doesn’t mean he’s not a mafioso putting up a very well thought out facade…

I’m just sayin…Trust NO ONE!!!

95

Not really because the smart move is to lynch jd and then gcl.

96

i can follow that logic, of coruse the negative would be if they are both innocent and just bickery haha, this game is fun haha.

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I’m voting redd because it’s mathematically impossible for him not to get lynched. GCL’s entire argument is based on a fallacy and you’re far too eager to support it. From a mathematics standpoint, it makes no sense for a mafia member to go after a civilian that isn’t active. None. There is zero to gain and it actually sacrifices leverage. Civilians are already down one vote by default and lynching redd doesn’t change that at all. It preserves the status quo. The first person to vote is always a target and that’s GCL’s only real “evidence.” It would make more sense for the mafia to attack an active member and allow redd to stay until the game eliminates him instead of wasting a lynch on him. They literally get nothing for their actions, while they could potentially eliminate an active member and be up three votes after one cycle. The only way it would possibly help him is if Redd is a mafia member. Since he’s inactive, the mafia would just throw him under the bus and “out” him so that you trust them. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

Really? Is he really? It seems like a pretty bold statement. He’s not risking anything. The mafia won’t kill him because he’s one of them, and if he isn’t they’d be dumb to kill him now. This is why I’m positive he’s mafia. Why? because of what I posted above. Killing redd doesn’t help the mafia at all, but killing an active civilian surely does so he’s trying to turn attention away from redd and focus it on supreme jd. Supreme was just foolish enough to be the first person to vote which is like slapping a target on his back. Now, he’s guaranteed four civilian deaths in a row if people jump on his bandwagon, and I’ll be honest and say I’m suspicious of you for supporting him so blindly.

As stated above, that’s a pretty dumb move. For the reasons I stated GCL won’t be killed by the mafia. Lynching JD because GCL recommends it means we lose a guaranteed 4 civilians before we even get to him (redd, mafia hit, supreme, mafia hit, then gcl). At that point, all GCL has to do is persuade 4 civilians to vote his way and we’ll lose another 2 civilians. You can lynch me if I’m wrong. I’ve got your vote now, right orochi? isn’t that all it takes? You said that was enough for you when GCL made that stance, so it should work for me to unless something else is going on between you too. Hmmm.

GCL, orochi, and wepeel: do any of you have a counter to Symbolic’s post? You guys are totally ignoring the most valid point made in the argument IMO and it seems a little convenient to me. I’m not ready to rule out supreme as mafia, but GCL seems the obvious choice to me and you two by extension, especially the way you jumped on Symbolic when he pointed out the major flaw in your argument. You were a little too quick to be dismissive for my tastes.

He has to guess first and at one guess a day that guessing takes time. My advice is to just be patient. If he has not yet correctly deduced who the members are, stating for sure who the members aren’t would put a target on his back, so I’m positive that he will stay silent until he has definitive information.

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I’m done with this game guys. I’m dissappointed that the issues on the first games were never addressed like the having the secret roles known before the game. It’s totally a shot in the dark for the mafia/civilian guys not knowing how many secret roles are there and what roles are what.

The first game was broken by the witness role, but it’s clear to me that there is sill one in this game. I hope it gets rectified in the next game. Sorry to wreck your fun guys.

99

well it IS the first round, while i agree it sucks not knowing the hidden roles throwing in the towel this early is kinda pre-mature. Although i guess that saves us from guessing on one more person.

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Redd is a civilian, swbeta wouldn’t make a banned member in the group that has 6 people. Redd is going to be lynched due to inactivity so why waste a lynch on him?