I believe we should push a “lurk before you start posting” mentality for the newer members (except of course for the Newbie or character-specific forums). I mean, in this age of streams and youtube, the more someone watches and plays, the more they know. Of course they start not knowing things and have a spectator’s mentality, but eventually, I believe most people, even the most exclusive of stream monsters end up learning about the scene and games.
I have no idea on how to do this, though.
An alternative is to ignore the front page guys completely. They’re clearly a different crowd from the forums right now.
I didn’t like that your Dustloop post was so divisive; I do like HAV’s tone, because he seems to be talking about enhancing the strengths of SRK to create a more helpful resource for everyone, rather than turning us into the Hatfield’s and McCoy’s.
I understand that videos like the Funny and Cool Moments series, or PC videos where people make Cammy’s face funny or give her Zangief’s moves, have their place (I guess…), but I personally do not like them, and I do feel that from time to time they do tend to drown out some of the more helpful, technical info. I’m nowhere close to being a top or every very good player, but I come to SRK to learn and get advanced info and tactics, and I’d love to see the frontpage refocus on that.
I just wanted to say that although I appreciate the ‘player-book’ idea, it’d be such a shame if that was the only thing to come out of this thread. Personally, I would much prefer content which explores fighting game fundamentals and strategy rather than stuff about individual players and the history of the scene.
I’d be up for trying to help with this player wiki thing. I’m not big on player knowledge or following people, but I probably have more free time currently than the most of the people in this thread put together. So, hey, I might as well use it for something constructive in a futile attempt to slow my inevitable descent into frothing insanity besides the other projects I’m trying to work on.
facepalms as he remembers he still needs to do something he promised Sano he’d do three+ months ago
…Besides, I do well with order…so long as I’m told what to do. I must warn you, though: You may need to e-punch me in the face if I ever start to get control-freakish about this type of stuff because I get really anal-retentive if something is out of an order I know it’s supposed to have.
Wait. We can’t do both?
drops axe
I’m out then.
Yeah, the “lurking” thing isn’t really enforceable for better or for worse.
Also, I think you’re overestimating how readily (some) people absorb information, even with the glut of it and the unprecedented ease of access to it, given how often I see people unable to do the most basic thing of reading…on the textually-based Internet.
People actually learning from things, even when they’re spoon-fed? In the words of Vampire Savior, “Miracle!”
Yes, this is probably for the best even if we’re striving to improve the front page as a whole, at least presently. “We” (read: you guys because, despite having free time, I do have to stuff to besides destroy my IQ) should probably start monitoring it once/if a shift is made, though.
Alternately, we could probably start banning the people who do nothing but troll (there), even though it’s no skin off my back, since currently there’s nothing to deter even the most blatant provocations.
coughWINBACKcough
Then again, I’m not sure if that would have any (real) effect given examples of things like Liokaiser and SONY sticking around through 6+ bans each; it might even make things slightly worse (with regards to at least some posters).
I was just kidding, Hav. I get your intentions. You want balance, which I am fully behind. I wish we had our own Day9. Have you ever seen this guy’s show? He’s really good at taking complicated ideas and breaking them down for beginners while keeping it entertaining. No easy feat. He may not turn people into high level players, but he definitely puts them on the right track. We could use someone like that in our community. Someone who takes borderline trolls and turns them into real players.
The front page is really bad lol. I don’t think there needs to be like 10 different entries for Evo, especially when the important ones like results aren’t even complete.
Also lol at abandonist still being mad. You sent hate mail because they guy won and taunted, then wrote paragraphs calling us douchebags and the guy a spammer. You’re part of the problem, if anything.
I live in Calgary and we put on the 2010 Canada Cup, where we invited top players (such as Daigo and Mago) to come and beast on us. I was watching a match where Daigo dismantled one of our local Guile players with Ryu, and I noticed a lot of interesting things in the match. I was considering doing an in-depth writeup on the match, discussing pattern recognition and footsies and such, but… I never did, because:
a) Who would read it? Maybe my local friends, and I may post it in the Guile or Ryu forums or something. But that leads me more to:
b) What responses would I get? First, I’d be told I’m some nobody and whatever I say isn’t important or worthwhile. Secondly, they’d say that the Guile player sucks (which isn’t true, but Daigo makes people look silly sometimes) and the match isn’t worth learning from. Third, whatever the content of the post, it would be written off as useless.
It sucks, because I think I have a pretty good encyclopedic knowledge of SF4 from a ton of character’s perspectives, and I have a lot I could offer the community. But I just don’t see any way I could do writeups without all my work going ignored or having me or my friends personally insulted.
What’s the answer to this? How can someone who isn’t a household name or a top player contribute meaningfully to the community without being cast off?
By still contributing even if the people who openly see it don’t agree. You’ll have people who will look at it and possibly bash it. But in the character discussion forums, most I’ve been to or seen generally help out or will add some helpful critiquing so that everyone understands what’s going on or what to do. I don’t think anyone is going to literally turn away info given to them if it has to deal with their character. Most will skim at best. But you never know unless you throw it out there for others to see.
I ask myself the same question every morning when I go to work. Who am I? I helped set up a stream for PSN when noone else would even care to look at the console. I help set up entry free tournaments and events on a weekly basis on a console. I upload matches to Youtube for information purposes. Sometimes start discussions in regards to fundamentals, basics, etc. What do I get out of it? Nothing more than a sense of satisfaction that I’m helping the community. That satisfaction is more than enough to keep me going regardless of what others say or cast me off.
Well, I may not know if my particular information is accepted or not unless I try, but I’ve seen several other people in my position (non-top players) try to give advice and just be written off. I can’t really think of a single success story on SRK in that regard, to be honest.
I mean, I may still try some day when I’m bored, but… if this is the type of content that HAV says SRK needs, and none of the top players themselves want to create it, then someone like me, who plays at a decent level but will never win Evo and who understands the game thoroughly, has to create it. It’s just that I don’t think anybody would listen to me because they don’t know my username.
Well, I understand, but for my particular example, how would I even know I’m helping the community if all I get is negative feedback? You say you run streams and stuff… and as long as people are watching or using those services, you know you’re making a difference even if people are negative. If I do a match writeup and advise people on good/bad footsies decisions, I’m actually getting into the territory of “teaching” people how to play the game, and it’s hard to generate any positive feedback from stuff like that on SRK. I’m not sure how much satisfaction I’d get if all I got was negative comments, because I’m actually not helping anyone like I thought I would.
I kind of got into this territory when I did some commentating on stream for the Canada Cup matches. It was my first time on stream and I was put there because of my game knowledge, but I got hated on by stream monsters. Not to say I couldn’t have done a better job or improved in any way, but… most people just don’t appreciate being told how to play the game from a no-name player.
I saw something like this on the Chun’s board a while back. If you wanted to do it you should of put it together I’m pretty sure you would of gotten a decent response.
Looks at the front page of SRK
There’s no way the front page will change if the guy posting it doesn’t want to add content more than for casuals. That’s not to say that he doesn’t add some interesting stuff however, it’s too far and few in between.
Maybe some people could get together and do a stream/ skype version of sports center. Like a more in-depth Wake up SRK, call it Tough Talk or Fighting Words. Player analysis,character stats, high lights, tourney results etc. . I know it sounds like alot of stuff just for some FG info that u can read on the forums, but having James Chen telling you this move is X frames on block, feels like you are able to grasp it better then just reading it.
We’ve been working on doing this for quite awhile. We actually did “exactly” this with several people already. Of course, some people never responded for whatever reason (won’t mention names, you know who you are) or gave small short changed responses on the skyped “interview” (deleted the videos/interviews due to how unresponsive they were) and we mixed in several members from the site (those who seem to rank high within their character forums/peers). Plus, we already have others scheduled in to do those “interviews”. Majority of the times, it feels like a bunch of dudes sitting around a coffee table playing games and smoking…err…having drinks and what not which makes it even more interesting.
), but I personally do not like them, and I do feel that from time to time they do tend to drown out some of the more helpful, technical info. I’m nowhere close to being a top or every very good player, but I come to SRK to learn and get advanced info and tactics, and I’d love to see the frontpage refocus on that.