Alright, enough of this shit.
Take a fucking vote to end it.
I don’t see the point in banning it here. Damn near all of us would rather use Pokemon other than the “broken” ones anyway, so they’re rarely seen. I for one wouldn’t mind fighting it every once in a while, seeing how it isn’t very common.
I vote we let the mother and child live.
IMO I don’t really care if anyone gets banned, I kind of expect atleast one of the megas to. For tournament rules atleast, for regular battles Ill do whatever i want
Better yet, I’ll make a team based around Mega Kanga, and challenge people to beat it(on a poke sim, don’t have the game).
MegaLucario is literally the only thing that can beat him.
Alright already, guess it’s that time anyway. I’m gonna make a poll on Blaziken, Gengarnite, and Kanganite and let you all vote on and discuss them.
I don’t think Mega Kanga/ Mega Gengar/ Blaziken should be banned.
Everything has a counter. There’s tons of shit to counter Blaziken now; Mega Gengar dies in 1 hit (my Timid Greninja 1-shots the damned thing!) and Mega Kanga gets easily predicted and can be easily stopped by the likes of Trevenant/Gourgeist/Rotom-W.
Like how Po would say, “people gotta experiment and think outside the box” or something along the lines of that.
I would vote that they should stay.
Here’s a question: Do we want to run things exactly like Smogon? I don’t want to. I want to play as and fight a Blaziken/Mega Kangaskhan/Mega Gengar since it brings on a challenge.
From the looks of things, it appears that it’s slowly becoming like Smogon, where it’s too hard to find some counter to stop Mega Kangaskhan, so we have to ban it… Seriously… just no.
I know that those pokemon are strong, but they’re not completely invincible. This ain’t SFII Akuma. This is Pokemon damn it!!
If they are THAT unbeatable, I can’t imagine anyone would have that much fun running it on their team if its a definite win. They might just die out on their own
i don’t think mega kangaskhan is broken enough to be banned personally. on one hand, it’d be nice to eliminate things i don’t really use, but still i think it can be dealt with. without firepunch (post poke box only) it loses pretty hard to ferrothorn. post box it’ll be dealt with pretty handily with landorus and keldeo (i think these are 2 of the best pokemon period), i would think.
I don’t think return is worth using on it due to running PuP already; you need coverage, not power, since it is already a set up sweeper. sucker punch/power up punch/earthquake/firepunch will be its best set IMO. it can also run a pretty obnoxious lead/volt turn support set with Fake Out (i don’t think a normal setup set should run it at all lol.)
it is strong. it has no recovery. it has poor coverage with its strongest move if it runs return/powerup punch. sucker punch is bad vs non damaging ghosts (sub/disable or will o wisp). earthquake hits aegislash and is probably necessary for that reason, but it is a ground type move. rotom/gyarados/dragon flying types/etc.
it uses up a mega spot. mega gengar is more broken due to shadow tag, that ability is too good.
the main argument for banning it is that it is too easy to set it up; but is it?
And just so you all know, I am not taking anyone who says “Just like Smogon” seriously. Sorry.
Nah, for example, I believe that Mega Gengar and Cario are fair because despite being very good offensively, they are frail and Gengar losing his EQ resistance is a big deal.
But Kanghaskhan can do all the shit he does with impunity. He has base 100 HP AND defenses, and doesn’t have to sacrifice a moveslot to boost.
When you run swords dance/nasty plot, you are sacrificing momentum, and a moveslot in order to potentially sweep.
Kanghaskhan however, can boost and run a fighting type move to boost. Which means he no longer has to run an alternative fighting move for coverage because they are all inferior. His other slots can be used for perfect neutral coverage. His attack boosts are no longer a manner of prediction. He WILL get it.
Other pokemon require thought, but he’s an instawin button in the standard top tier metagame.
I’ve used him among the unbanned pokebank stuff. And only priority T-wave and Trevanant were able to stop him, everything else was too slow to hit him.
Most people argued for banning Blaziken on the premise that he would always have swords dance boost. That was not agreeable in the slightest, and the line of logic doesn’t work. However, Kanghaskhan is a different story. He will always be at 2+, no matter what. If you don’t run a ghost, you have no way to avoid it
When you make that team can I battle you? I haven’t had any trouble with mega kanga lately, but it still doesn’t mean I win all my battles against them and I want to test out my team some more. I play on Pokemon Showdown to test my teams before I make them in Pokemon X and Y.
either is fine
EQ should have gotten a nerf in damage. PuP shouldn’t exist as it is. Make it like Moxie in move form. Only get an Atk boost if PuP KOs.
PuP would be awful then, which I would assume is your intention.
Power-Up Punch is only good on Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Lucario anyway, so I think it balances out.
Alright, I’ll be playing post bank stuff lol
alright let me know when you have the team ready.
I’m hopping on PokeShowdown, same screenname challenge me when I enter the main chat.
finally some discussion!
here is why blaziken, megagengar, and megakangaskhan are overpowered in my opinion, even though they can be beaten. i’ll start off with blaziken. wall of text incoming
Blaziken:
Blaziken is a straight up monster. With ridiculous offense pressure from the base of two moves, he can pretty much 2HKO everything in the game. The two moves in question are High Jump Kick and Flare Blitz, which have a base power of 130 and 120 respectively (not accounting for STAB). This isn’t a big deal as we have Pokemon who can dish out a buttload of damage. But unlike other Pokemon, Blaziken gets Speed Boost. Not only does he get Speed Boost, he also has access to Swords Dance and Baton Pass (not counting Protect as everything has access to it). While yes, Ninjask and now Scolipede have access to the same support moves as Blaziken, neither of them have the offensive pressure of Blaziken. What makes Blaziken over the top is his ability to sweep you after 1 turn on top of the ability to let something else sweep you after the same amount of turns. This is problematic as the number of Pokemon who can stop him dwindle down to the single digits, even less than 5. To beat Blaziken 100%, you must carry Azumarill and/or Talonflame. This is what I like to call overcentralizing which is not a good thing. Yes we have other set-up sweepers but those set-up sweepers (who have comparable power to Blaziken) are gaining speed by simply existing. So after 2 turns, the only way to KO him is to bring in something with priority or something that can take a hit and KO him back. Forcing someone to use a select few Pokemon to stop the threat of one is to be broken, even though it can be beaten. I feel forcing everyone to use Azumarill and/or Talonflame to stop 1 Pokemon is a bit much and hinders the creative aspect of team building. So obviously my vote is Ban. He sets up too easily and can sweep with little to no effort once his problematic Pokemon are taken care of unless you specifically run a team designed to make Blaziken your bitch (which proceeds to get swept by half the OU tier).
Mega Gengar:
Is Mega Gengar this omnipresent force of nature. Yes and no; where people get confused by it’s lack of straight offense seem to forget he’s not an offensive behemoth, he’s a broken team supporter. He’s not supposed to be able to deal with every single threat out there, only the ones that threaten your team. He does this all too well. If you have Lucario on your team, he is going to struggle against Gliscor, Hippowdon and other bulky ground types. Well, Mega Gengar can be set up to dispose the ground types from your enemy allowing Lucario to sweep. That’s just one example but the list goes on. He literally helps any Pokemon sweep due to the combination of his gigantic movepool, speed, special attack, and shadow tag. While many of you say, “I can beat Mega Gengar, he dies in one hit”, is not a good defense to why this Pokemon needs to go. A good Mega Gengar user will never let his Mega Gengar die in one hit, nor would he keep his Mega Gengar in on that Pokemon. It is really hard to explain why he is Uber without actually showing you but being able to pick and choose who he wants to take care of is a problem, especially with an awesome defensive typing like Ghost/Poison. He is Uber support, like Deoxys-S and Deoxys-D were last generation. They do the job too well to the point where they make certain playstyles unplayable (like stall). My vote obviously is for Ban.
Mega Kangaskhan:
I do not need much detail explaining why Mega Kangaskhan is broken. It gets an attacking Swords Dance in PuP, gives only 2/3rds of a fuck about substitute, awesome coverage. With the right moveset, there is nothing that can actually wall her. The fact that we are throwing Rocky Helmet on every pokemon just to be this thing shows how overcentralizing she is. Ban her, get it over with.