I haven’t personally seen mega luc be all that crazy, but I could be fighting bad ones.
Just know that eventually that discussion will lead to “Let’s ban all Mega Evos”.
1 vs 1
Scratch/pound/tackle only
Final destination!!!
ban mega luca? Why? I can see why some people have problems with mega G and K but luca?
nah there’s no reason to ban most of the megas. A lot of them aren’t even appreciably better than their normal forms. It’s mainly the ones with stupidly overpowered abilities(shadow tag/parental bond).
Yea, Lucario needs good reads and some support to set up and sweep… The others? Eh, not so much.
Gyarados can’t learn Crunch. Such a waste too, as Water/Dark is a great STAB combination.
Really! It seems like such an obvious cruncher too.
Honestly, Power-Up Punch Kanga is just the obvious “immediate success” offensive set that everyone runs. When things settle down a bit, Power-Up Punch will go from amazing to just really good. Because the fact of the matter is, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.
You can’t use it now as there is no tutor, but Seismic Toss Kangaskhan is usable on the Pokebank simulators, and I really just wanted to point out how ridiculously good it is.
200 HP damage every time on all Pokemon, and you have access to Sucker Punch and Crunch to hit the Ghosts immune to it. It’s very, very good.
Mega Kanga has 105/100/100 defenses and even gets Wish.
After running bulky Kangaskhan with Seismic Toss / Sucker Punch / Wish / Protect, she’s been wrecking house, and it’s arguably much better than the standard PUP set. No other Pokemon I can think of can 2HKO nearly every Pokemon in the game and still support itself and its team with Wish.
You can run Sub / Crunch for bulkier Ghosts with Will-o-wisp, but man, Seismic Toss Kanga is really where it’s at.
As for so-called “counters”, I’ve used Sub / WoW Gourgeist/Trevenant, Sub / Disable Gengar (no mega), and Rough Skin Chomp with Rocky Helmet, and they’re generally good Pokemon on teams to deal with most Kanga sets. Mienshao outspeeds and OHKOs, and once the bank is released, so do Terrakion and Infernape, and +2 Sucker Punch fails to OHKO any of them (and Mienshao has Regenerator to heal it off, while Terrakion gets a +2 boost if it gets hit by it)
I’m not saying these are sure-fire counters, but I’m just telling you what people have been running to deal with Mega Kanga rather than complaining about her.
Why not BOTH a Singles and Doubles?
Most of the Mega Pokes seem overpowered, but it’s really because of the lack of Derp from the other Pokemon. Once the Bank is open, then they’ll have their surefire counters
Like Jellycent vs Mega Kanga
High chance to auto disable Mega Kanga’s attacks and can stall.
Yeah I’ve been using doublade to beat mega kahn, but that only works if it’s not running earthquake and doublade comes in on an immunity. Earthquake just BARELY 2 hit ko’s. Mega Gengar that doesn’t hit the mega button beats mega kahn without earthquake also. The biggest thing with mega kahn is that you essentially immediatly have to switch in a ghost, the PUPs stacking up makes him pretty unstoppable after that(unless you’re gengar and are literally immune to everything he does.
edit: also that post bank build sounds hilariously dumb.
edit again: though I do always worry about sets that use normal(or fighting) and sucker punch as their only attack base because of ghosts that don’t need to run attack moves and sucker punch only having 8pp
If you guys don’t want to playtest anything, that’s fine… I don’t even use Evasion, but I’ll argue all day for a metagame that is less restrictive than Smogon’s, and that includes OHKOs, Evasion, and the Ability that makes Bidoof an Uber, Moody.
I’m don’t even want to get into the silliness that is that Seismic Toss/Sucker Punch/Wish/Protect Mega Kangaskhan set… This is why simulator “optimization” should have no influence over the actual 3DS game. To get that set in-game, you would have to have a near flawless Japanese Event Kangaskhan, teach it Seismic Toss from the Gen III Move Tutors, transfer it to a 4th Gen Game, transfer again to a 5th Gen cart, transfer one more time to the Pokemon Bank, and then finally send it to your X/Y game…
Really? You’re telling me you were lucky enough to get ahold of a rare Japanese event, have the good fortune of it having nearly flawless stats from a Gen where it was extremely difficult to get flawless events, use up a one-time Move Tutor*(Seismic Toss is NOT an Egg Move)*, and then do all that transferring? Yeah… no.
The other stuff is just not thinking outside the box. Mega Gengar closin’ yo’ windows, trapping yo’ people up? I thought Volt-Turn was on a ton of teams… Infiltrator mons give no fucks about a Substitute. Scrappy/Soundproof Exploud sees TrapGar, laughs and wipes the smirk off its mouth with a 500 decibel Boomburst, or just straight no-sells the Perish Song. Why don’t you just use Gastro Acid/Worry Seed/Skill Swap and cancel that ninja’s Ability?
*I also find it funny that the aforementioned “broken” Mega Kangaskhan will rip right through a Mega Gengar’s Substitute with a Parental Bond Shadow Claw/Crunch, but that’s too “overcentralizing,” right?
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I’m gonna just laugh at Mega Lucario doing anything more than revenge killing/late game sweeping, because that thing is so so very frail…
megalucario ruins stall like megagengar and megakangaskhan
i’m only posting a smogon link cause about halfway down the page it shows megalucario calculations, it literally 2HKOs everything (most of the time OHKOs), shit it even 2HKOs max defense gliscor with close combat
this guy is just as stupid as megakanga and megagengar, they just shit on stall, i’m not a stall player but i like variety, blaziken did the same thing to stall
the only person in pokebank i’d say should be banned is thunderus-I, and that’s cause prankster taunt on something with those stats is just absurd
Complains about Mega Gengar trapping and killing things for free. Wants one of the dudes that shuts it down banned.
Okay.
thunderus I is outsped and 2HKO’d by shadow ball
really stops megagengar
Don’t be obtuse. You know I was talking about Perish Trap Gar, which tends to not run attack moves, meaning it loses to Taunt.
I’m gonna stop here, because its just devolving into another case of POKEMON beats POKEMON with MOVE…
we’ve told you about a hundred times why all those are completely irrelevant and don’t work but you don’t listen. Quick list. Volt turn on your rotom doesn’t save your blissey(nor does having a ghost on your team save anything but that ghost), infiltrators that ignore sub have to, y’know beat a non sub gengar for that to relevant(none/almost none of them do). Things that change its skill still only save themselves, and only if they survive a round of combat with gengar, and don’t go through sub.
And unless they have a way to detect hacked pokemon that are legal builds then yes, tons of people have access to that stuff, and as I’ve said before, I think scarcity makes things MORE worthy of bans not less.
Mega luc is weak to ground, fighting, and fire, 3 of the best attack types in the game, and has bad defenses, and while quick is still outsped by a reasonable amount of stuff.
edit: and perish trap gars still run shadow ball a lot of the time.
megagengar destroys stall teams, he can be perfectly tailored so that your pokes can sweep with no fear
your lucario sweeps fear hippo? well megagengar has got that shit
your talonflame fears heatran and ttar? megagegar has them too
dragonite having troubles with latias? welp, look at that, megagengar ruins that thing as well
this is the problem with megagengar, he allows your pokes to give no shits about the opponents team, you gotta problem, call 1-800-megagengar
megalucario and megakangaskhan run train at +2, there’s only a few pokemon who can stop each of them and it usually involves having wisp or a red card
blaziken was only stopped by azumarill and talonflame without rocks being up, that’s pretty annoying to force people to run one of those two at all times
seriously, play competent players, they won’t let you make mince meat of megagengar and the like
You know this discussion is going nowhere? Absolutely neither side wants to budge and both sides believe they’re absolutely correct and will not be deterred from it.
I would say drop it, but that’s impossible since it’s an important issue. So we need a way to settle it NOW because I’m sure people are tired of talking about it and/or hearing/reading it.
I’m going to stop posting in here for awhile… Out of twenty-four possible moves, you don’t have room for one of those moves on your team… Okay. It apparently is already Mega from the time you see it on Team Preview… Okay. It runs every single move it can learn all at once and can never be countered… Okay. Predicting the obvious times it will switch in and having something ready for it is impossible for anyone with even a miniscule amount of brain functions… Okay.
It is completely uncounterable and needs to be banned. When the next Mega takes its place*(as Blaziken did before and Kangaskhan will after), they will be banned as well, and the next one after that, and ad-infinitum until all Megas are banned, and we’re playing 5th Gen part deux featuring Fairies and nerfed weather…
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Whatever…