Lol yes. they’re legendaries. why shouldn’t they be banned on a “legendaries should be banned” rule? because they’re not that effective in battle? that’s a different rule that brings in arbitrary decisions, like i said above. if you want to do that then tell me what you’re going to ban, like i said above.
the question you should be asking me is "is banning based on legendary better than banning based on ______"
except you’re going to have to fill in that blank because the previously wide spread understood rules ( smogon bans ) were based on usage and there is 0 information to go off of for this generation.
banning based on gamefreak’s list is also good. mind linking it or listing it out.
anyway a lot of the pokemon you are listing aren’t available pre pokebank.
that’s fine too i guess lol no real basis except off of strength but it’s short i guess
at least 2-3 of aegislash / blaziken / lucario / scizor should be on your team tho no matter what dohoho
I disagree. Aegislash is strong now, but its not some unstoppable monster. Blaziken is highly predictable and Lucario is made of glass. Scizor is, well, Scizor, but it can still be dealt with, Mega or not.
To that other argument, I’m not in favor of bans period, but I understand not everyone cares to fight beasts like Mewtwo or Yveltal on every other team either. A cover legend ban seems appropriate at this early stage.
To go any further is to creep into Smogon/Smashboards territory of banning things simply because of bias/laziness/scrub tendencies…
Banning only Cover Legends + Mewtwo also has little bias (you could say Mewtwo has some Bias but he’s Gen 1, before the Legends were put on Covers, but he’s the keynote of that game so we’ll count him) and also isn’t unreasonably harsh.
Right now the metagame is still new. We may have some winners in the Superpower Lottery department right now, but no one knows what will go where and who will come up with what right now. We still have to wait for the 25th of December to see the full extent of changes (And who gets the nicest Christmas gifts) anyway.
brightpowder garchomp isn’t technically on the evasion clause, allowed because of nerf to weather setters?
same with swift swim/drizzle, sand things/stream, etc?
people starting to ban shit already aside from the obviou? what is this Gen 1? SMogon? psh naw, this is the time for discovery and trials. You cannot make rules on shuch a game until we have all changes/updates and facts in front of us. hence why I’m not going to battle anyone for now. too much to consider and research.
That being said, Banning ALL legendaries is silly.
because some aren’t as strong competitively than other non legendary pokemon?
a legendary ban is not based on their strength of competition. it’s a ban that has little bias while also hitting a lot of very strong pokemon.
if you ban based on competitive strength then you have to have an arbitrary line, which immediately makes it worse.
the entire point of a banlist is to encourage variety in the first place. a lot of the legendaries are very competitively strong and would stifle that as well.
Because it’s been proven that banning straight out everything just because of it’s name (IE legendaries) is an arbitrary and archaic way of doing things. you’re being too black and white about it. You cannot tell me that Articuno should be banned over say…Tyranitar? The reasoning for Articuno staying in is despite it’s stats being at that “legendary” status, it’s typing, the metagame and its distribution of said stats are poor and not doing it any favors. hence it’s not seen as a threat much less centralizing tactics to take it out.
as for the reason for a ban list, that’s not the point. I fyou can tell me why Exadrill in Gen 5 should stay while Moltress be banned, I’d love to hear it!
Right, so you’re banning based on strength in the metagame. In that case ban everything except NFE bugs because I think Joltik should be the competitive standard. It’ll be a good metagame.