SRK Competitive Pokemon Battling Thread: Logoghoul and White Shadow Win! Bye Gen 6!

General Discussion
2521

why does something using a mega slot have any relevance to being outclassed?

mega manectric outclasses jolteon, straight up, better coverage, faster, stronger without an item, intimidate, bulkier, whole 9 yards

also infernoman, i don’t know if mega gardevoir actually fits on the team, you would actually be better using mega venusaur over it and pretty much going for the full stall

lastly, why the fuck does ferrothorn learn knock off? i’m not saying it’s a bad option but seriously…why does he learn it, that’s pretty dope

2522

The turn it has to use to megavolve makes ALL the difference, and Jolteon can absorb a volt switch due to his ability. And did I mention that Jolteon’s special defense is base 95 while mega Manetrics is 80?

Jolteon can also run leftovers, allowing it to set up substitutes and get off two guaranteed attacks before switching out+get that health back. Matter in fact, Jolteon can even do wish support behind a substitute and still have 2 free move slots for thunderbolt and HP ice.

tl;dr: Manetric is better offensively and but cannot OHKO very many things unless it’s 4x effective. However Jolteon does more and better than Manetric.

Substitute set with Manetric? Probably not going to go so well without leftovers, and he can’t learn wish.

Full out offense? You get killed by anything you can’t OHKO on the special and physical side.(Yes I’ve tried a Mega Manetric on a team before)

Turn wasted on Mega Evolution? Jolteon doesn’t have that, and there is plenty of things that are outright faster than base 105 speed in the metagame, and it’s all over the place. Manetric can get snuffed out by anything with that low speed. Jolteon on the other hand is base 130 all the time.

@Mood4Food77

Yes, he sounds good in theory, but try him in the place of any Jolteon. You’ll be left disappointed everytime TRUST me.

2523

the amount of times my ass has been handed to me by mega manectric is countless

jolteon? he dies to physical contact, mega manectric has electric/fire/ice coverage, which is absurdly good, jolteon has electric/ice/ghost coverage, while good, doesn’t hit as much as mega manectric’s coverage, nor is shadow ball as strong as flamethrower/overheat

he’s faster, which is huge

the first turn, mega manectric can absorb electric attacks for the +1 boost, which is more threatening than anything jolteon can do

jolteon and manectric have shitty HP stats, they’re not going to be taking any hits, but since mega manectric has intimidate, he is a far better voltturner than jolteon will ever be

jolteon isn’t even good this gen, he’s 2HKO’d by talonflame’s brave bird
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 177-209 (65 - 76.8%) – guaranteed 2HKO

while mega manectric can deal with it, especially when it’s going to be 3HKO’d by brave bird and outruns flare blitz
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Manectric: 94-111 (33.4 - 39.5%) – guaranteed 3HKO

while neither can switch into a flare blitz, it’s definitely not the first choice of talonflame’s attacks

jolteon needs choice specs to do anywhere close to the damage of mega manectric, limiting his versatility (hint: making him easier to switch into), mega manectric having intimidate is a god send and forces more switches than jolteon can ever achieve

2524

Manectric’s place (much like a lot of other “not that hot in Singles” stuff) is in Doubles/Triples, where it can draw off opposing Electric attacks with Lightning Rod, then ruin their physical attackers with Intimidate/weaken their special attacks with Light Screen/Snarl.

It simply does okay in Singles, but it doesn’t do a whole lot different/better than Goddamn Washing Machine/Jolteon/Zapdos.

2525

it’s better than jolteon, hell, jolteon isn’t even getting an OU analysis (to tell you how far it’s fallen)
it can’t be compared to zapdos and that thing that washes clothes as they’re both bulky electric types while mega manectric is a voltturner, different roles, doing different things, you can actually use mega manectric with those two pokes on the same team

obviously mega manectric is not this awesome pokemon, but he does a damn good job of what he does and is the best offensive user of volt switch in the game, idk why people don’t use overheat, he’s not staying in there for more than a turn or 2 and due to his shear power, nothing wants to switch into him

2526

I’d have to see a Manectric in action because I seem to just get owned by everything when I use him :rofl:

Jolteon did much better for me.

2527

that’s cause you suck

<3

but really, they’re used in very similar matters, always volt switch first turn to scout what the opponent is going to do, and htis is the big difference between jolteon and mega manectric

unless you use life orb on jolteon (in which you lose a lot of power), you’re going to have to switch out while mega manectric can stay in and blast the opponent with overheat/flamethrower/HP Ice

mega manectric is very, very good on a voltturn team, and this gen, due to all the priority flying (no pun intended) around, it’s very bad to be locked into a choice item, unless you have some serious bulk/incredible power, or are just plain stupid

2528

Would Prankster Roar/Whirlwind with hazards up and no Magic Bouncer on the opposing team be GG?

2529

prankster only moves the priority of moves up 1 spot, so you wouldn’t actually go first using roar and whirlwind

instead of those moves being -6, they’d have -5 priority, so no, it wouldn’t be good game

2530

Ah, I forgot that they had negative priority lol

2531

If you use Roar with Prankster, then use Copycat to Copycat the Roar, then yes, that would be good game, since Copycat would have the +1 priority of prankster (and not the -6 of Roar).

2532

Prankster Riolu. Try it.

2533

It has its “counters” - Roar bringing in something with priority, Magic Bounce, etc.

2534

Both are good but jolteon is faster turn 1 and its not like 5 speed will matter much at all after turn one. Manectric gets coverage while jolteon gets more damage since it has life orb. I like using jolteon because I can run another mega with him? How is that not a major selling point? Also you said manectric can blast someone with HP ice? Jolteon’s HP ice hits harder since it has life orb again. Lets think before we type here mood.

2535

i’ve not had any fear against jolteon, it doesn’t have a strong fire powered move backing it up making the usual electric stops worthless
life orb jolteon is pretty bad

and yes, you can use jolteon with a mega pokemon but really, if you want a fast special sweeper that isn’t a mega, you can use greninja who packs more power and is just slightly lower (there are like…2 pokemon in which jolteon outruns that greninja doesn’t and they’re both +1 base 80s)

jolteon is outclassed by mega manectric on a voltturn team, it’s outclassed as a revenge killer (mega manectric revenge kills more pokemon thanks to that awesome fire attack), and its’ ouclassed as a sweeper (thanks to mega manectric’s fire attack)

mega manectric is the best mega pokemon for a voltturn team thanks to really high powered volt switches, intimidate, and it’s great speed, it’s only problem is that you don’t get to use mega lucario, mega venusaur, or either mega charizard

jolteon isn’t viable anymore sadly, which is pretty sad considering all the flying types going around, he just doesn’t have the coverage he needs, baton pass sets are gimmicky, and he’s entirely outclassed on a voltturn team (which would be hid prodigee), as a special sweeper/revenge killer, greninja does his job better

honestly, forgot greninja fills teh same role as jolteon, and greninja is way more versatile as well

2536

He is the same jolteon he does the same things and he does them perfectly fine. He hits harder then greninja as well. Like I said the coverage is not there obviously but if you fit him on a smart team for him and use him properly there is no big downside to using him over others. He can clean up a lot of other fast sweepers who want to come out lante Especially greninja’s. Late game sweeper greninja does not run spikes nor could he get them out if he wanted to. I mean I never said he was better than mega manetric I just said he is a viable second option if you don’t want to run manectric as your mega slot. Opening up mega zard’s lucario and venu is huge because they can cover what he misses and you still have your late game fast electric sweeper.

2537

Prankster Copycat Roar no longer exists, Nintendo took that loop out of the game.

Back to your real tier Riolu :rofl:

2538

Also at @PhantomAngel the copycat loop could be stopped by any priority faster than Riolu AND magic bounce. It was a gimmick that wrecked some teams but is totally useless against others. Especially since priority is everywhere now unlike last gen.

2539

It was a silly tactic that can be seen a mile away… Like endeavor lvl 1 Aron w/shell bell

2540

my fav