…right.
If you spawn in with a BR start and convienetly switch to your secondary pistol… you better have an excuse along the lines of… “My controller always does that.” or the equivelent. 
Upon playing more games yes…and hearing people yelp
“Most boring game type EVAR”
seriously, team hardcore is boring as hell…I dunno maybe it’s just me. I wasn’t feeling it at all. Maybe it was the lag or something, I dunno
sorry i peaced out like that guys but I"m hella tired, got a mid term tomorrow, later
team hardcore is very stupid, anyways i didnt make the new srk clan did i? lol last i checked i wasnt even in a clan
You guys are too bent on supporting your ignorance.
Sapphire, I have never, -ever- in my entire Halo career been put into that situation. Usually, its me and my team putting others into that situation. Its not a ~snap my fingers, you spawn on banshee platform~. You have to push them there, unless they suck so bad they just stand there while you get all the weapons. In which case they deserve to die.
Incase you’ve forgotten, when you spawn with SMG on any map, its a race for the stronger weapons. Then, its a battle to keep the stronger weapons.
However, if you spawn with a BR, all you have to do is wait, line up a shot, and start shooting. There’s no skill in that. It takes MORE skill to kill with an SMG, due to its short range, low damage, and sporadic shot group, then it does to zoom in with a BR and fire off a few rounds. I know people with no skill in any weapon, except the BR. Thats all they know how to do.
Its ruining the game.
All MLG is, is supporting people who don’t want to learn and get better.
MLG, therefor, is garbage. And I’m done with this conversation. Tomorrow, I’m hoping to start beating down the MLG idiots who actually challenged me.
Look at what you just said, how can a gun that is sporadic take more skill? If the bullets are random, and your accuracy is limited by the gun, where does the skill come in play?
Edit: I don’t feel like arguing anymore, everyone has their opinions.
Hardcore owns btw if you haven’t played it yet, there is alot of competition right now though with everyone being low level and all.
Hey guys, I think I agree with you that map dominance shouldn’t be allowed. Therefore, I think mlg should take the next logical step.
Why spawn everyone with battle rifles? They should make it so everyone spawns with Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher. This way, it’s impossible for anyone to really dominate the map and power weapons because everyone already has them. I mean, if battle rifles were put in to make the game more fair, then Sniper Rifle/Rocket Launcher spawn would make the game even MORE fair!
This idea is awesome! Why hasn’t MLG done that already?
…and I’m spent.
You’re telling me it takes more skill to hold both triggers down while aiming a HUGE reticle that auto-locks over your opponent’s budy, than to strategically shoot well place BR shots?
Yeah every gametype is a race to the power weapons, the broken factor is what happens when one team has control and the other team is constantly spawning in with SMG’s.
You said youself that you have never been put in that situation and appearanlty if you have, your opponents didn’t know ture map control so they must’ve run out in the open trying to snipe or sword everyone.
All I can conclude from this is that you have NEVER played a dedicated tournament team who has played together for months and have strategic teamwork. This is what MLG breeds at their events. You’re not gonna get a few random guys on your team and hope for shit to work like clockwork.
…if you didn’t know, in order to dominate H2, teamwork is a severe essential.
Ok good luck tommorow. =)
The true test of a player’s ability is 1 v 1, not any team game, imo.
And I can’t wait for the sniper rifle/rl spawn rule…
mgl - making the game more balanced since 2k4
MLG TS sanctuary and Colloussus are Snipers only, (until recently BR was added as secondary).
Rocket Launcher would be dumb.
If you missed the first point, MLG has run tournaments since H1. H1 was a race for power weapons with the game settings being standard. The goal was to keep it the same in H2, so giving people rockets and power weapons hurts that point.
The reason for Snips on Col. and Sanct. was because The maps were kinda big to run a fluent BR start MLG TS, so Snipes was decided to add something… different.
but I thought you said the whole point was to make it fair and give you a better chance upon respawn, and to prevent maps from being dominated. wouldn’t sniper/rocket spawn do that perfectly?? why are snipers/rockets dumb, but Brs aren’t? It’s the same principle is it not?
You keep saying that MLG has run tournaments since H1 like its going to mean something to us, like it gives MLG some kind of street credit. All it says to me is MLG is lost in the Halo 1 days. Halo 1 is over. Gone. Bye bye. :wow:
If you can take a weak weapon (SMG) and beat a strong weapon (BR), you have more skill then that person. There is no skill behind using a rocket launcher to kill someone. There IS skill behind using an SMG or BR to kill a RL user. The ONLY skill from a sniper is head shots and close range no scoping, for self-defense. Any other use of the sniper rifle is standard.
So lets break this down
SMG > BR > RL > Sniper Rifle ( If at a safe enough distance)
SMG > BR > SR > RL (if up close)
Beating a higher tier weapon with a lower tier weapon takes more skill. Its faster AND easier to kill with a BR then it is with an SMG. I’m NOT saying Dual Wield SMG. I’m saying one single SMG. It takes more skill to use the weak, single SMG to beat a BR. CONSIDERING that you have to get close to them for the SMG to be effective anyway, and the BR is a mid-range power weapon.
As for this MLG stuff, we’re all just going to have to agree to disagree. Nothing you say will make MLG more appealing, and nothing we say will turn you from the dark side of the FPS.
I’m not trying to get street redit for MLG. I’m giving you insight on the history and reasoning behind MLG’s rules.
All I’m going to say here is that you could learn alot by exposing yourself to the MLG forums.
I’ve come to realize this, but I do plan to clarify that the members of the MLG community are not scrubs.
Same principle over done.
I’m not saying Halo 2 is balanced as is. I’m acknowledging that it is very unbalanced.
I’m saying having 2 different tournament versions of the game floating around is stupid. You missed my point entirely.
These “theoretical’s” you guys keep coming with are stupid. Yes, if you spawn next to someone with a better weapon, you lose. So what? Spawn kills happen in ALL FPS’s. It sucks but oh well it is unavoidable. If the other team sees you spawn first, hence spawn kill, they will always kill you first, regardless of what starting weapon you have. So it’s all a moot point, really.
Well, theres no more argument because we are both just stuck in our opinions. I believe that, even though unbalanced, the game is the game, and should not be altered or fit into something it’s not, EVEN IF it balances out the game.
As for the 3s reference, 3s is a far from balanced game. If I went into system direction, you could REALLY balance the game out, alot. But that doesn’t change the fact that it wouldn’t be right to do so. For fun, with your buddys yes, but for tournaments no. And that’s what this whole argument boils down to in the first place.
The bottom line is I still think it’s lame to have 2 different tournament level versions of a game, and I still think on some levels it is a cop out by the MLG comunity for lack of skills.
The argument is over. We each have our positions that is fine. I just can’t wait till the MLG elitists start getting owned in their own match settings. It’s probably already happening.
ParryAll, as long as there is halo, there will be MLG rules, and they will throw the biggest tournaments. It will not get dull into Halo 3 comes out, then I’m positive they will arrange the rules again to be balanced like they are now.
I want to add one more thing.
It’s easy to understand why Final_Rush is pissed off. If I took Halo 2 very seriously and got very good at it, and then someone came at me and said I suck because I’m not playing it with the right rules, I’d be pissed off too. And that’s a bunch of bullshit right there.
All these MLG elitists who think they are better than the regular players because they all can beat each other in non-matchmade, custom games is a joke too. That’s lame. It’s my opinion though so your entitled to your own.
I’ll finish with this. I have never played a team slayer game that I felt I lost because of the game. IE, because the game is unbalanced. I have never blamed the game, rather, I blame myself. Anytime I lose a team slayer game it’s because my randomly matched teammates start going gung ho like idiots, nobody comunicates, and everyone plays like shit. THAT is when you lose my friends, you don’t lose because you spawned with a shitty weapon next to the other team once or twice a game (if that). You lose because you were outplayed. End of story.
Lol, you’ve summed up my entire point more clearly and concisely than I have in 25 paragraphs … and you made it funny too.
I’m going to go ahead and say I agree.
You are right that the argument boils down to the basis of have two tournament worthy versions of the games floating around. The point that Halo 2 was created as an unbalanced game still stands. Thats why no one serious player took it seriously from the start.
I wish you could watch a REAL Halo 2 tournament match in play. Then you would see how and why MLG settings are the way they are.
A trained and balanced team, breaks a map down to the last detail. They did this when SMG spawn was the norm and they realized that if thier team got ahold of the power weapons, with strategic positioning and teamwork strategy, the other team litterally has now way of taking control back.
The trained team will not move from a safe position to go take down the enemey when they have the lead.
The trained team will not drop a power weapon when it’s empty until the rest of the team was in position to get it back.
The trained team will not chase after a kill while holding sword.
The trained team will not run out in the open trying to save a teammate. They will not break position.
I could litterally go on and on… but I’ve done that.
Your example of spawn killing that happens in all FPS’s is true, but when you play against a team that knows how to spawn you where they want you, thats when you’ll see true skill and teamwork at work. The reasons behind MLG’s BR start are logical and acceptable for balanced tournament play.
P.S. I can gaurantee you that The trained team will not get owned in this match.