hey duc, just wanted to say thanks for this thread and helping people to pick up spiral. here’s my question.
any tips vs blackheart? in particular, blackheart/doom? the guy i played was using blackheart/cable/doom. i know the demons don’t do any chip and it seems like this is a match spiral should be winning. should i switch to something like spiral/cable/cyclops so i can rush down more with spiral and just counter call his doom assist up close? maybe i just wasn’t being patient enough…
i guess sent/doom works in the same manner. stay at the other end of the level and fill the screen with stuff (laser spits, rocks, drones, HSF, etc) to chip and annoy the spiral player. with so much stuff on the screen it’s hard to get your offense going because the knives have a hard time cutting through everything.
Against blackheart you want to get knives out and keep him grounded. What I normally do is get him down with 1 or 2 knives then throw the rest following it with sentinel assist. Blackheart should lose to spiral most of the time as long as you don’t reload and be predictable enough for him to super you or get you in an infinite. When you know doom is coming out just counter call him - when you go for the trap against blackheart be careful of the alpha countering of cable. He doesn’t have any real assist to beat you and if he does call doom early enough to eat your knives - don’t throw them - keep them and avoid the rocks.
Sent doom - is kind of annoying because of the spit and doom together. What you could do is get close enough to sentinel while and counter call cable against doom only when sentinel is inside of doom. The best way to do this is to be in the air do the drop move and call out cable assist. If sentinel gets hit reload knives and start the trap - if he jumps out bring him down with a few knives and the drop move. If sentinel gets doom out then don’t waste your knives and avoid the rocks by super jumping letting the rocks go by and then attack. It will be hard for them to call any assist when you trap them.
Dang - all this time and you still don’t know how to get in on spiral? I guess you just suck then…
Actually I don’t say shit like that I just look at them and say well its too bad you can’t adapt then cause there are plenty of people out there who can and they’re really good. They can do it why can’t you?
I think overall it’s a worse team. Although cable’s AAA isn’t the best, it really helps spiral out especially against mags at the beg of the match. Spiral can’t fend off rush downs easily w/o cable’s AAA. Sent also needs an AAA.
Your comment about storm killing in 2 supers rather than cable in 3. Spiral is a battery and hopefully she will build 4 or 5 meters before either cable or storm gets in the game so the # of meters to kill someone shouldn’t be a factor.
storm w/o AAA is tough to pull of as well as sent without any AAA. I think storm’s typhoon assist does spiral no help since she already has drones. Why do you need 2 trapping assists?
Cable AHVB/spiral assist does almost half life of chip with 4 supers. This helps out a lot. A lot of times spiral will be low on life and can counter into cable and ahvb and then chip the other guy to death and then guard break the next character. storm’s guard break is not as good as cables. I think storm’s assists are just terrible for spiral and sent and that spirals assist isn’t that great for storm since drones are almost the same thing.
I think as a mid level player, or playing against non elite players, storm can help out since any one hit could be a kill. Plus you can dhc out from spiral safely which you can’t from cable. You can run away which you can’t with cable and you can catch people running away from you. Storm brings some speed to the team. I just think a team like santhrax will destroy spiral/storm/sent. When spiral dies or gets out of the game, it will be nearly impossible for storm/sent to compete with storm/sent with commando.
It’s like how do I beat everyone? Nobody is going to list every situation. If you want your questions answered, you should ask something specific. Like, what do I strider activates orbs or what are some good tactics to keep strider trapped.
Years ago I read an article about Team Duc when it was Spiral/Cable/Cyclops, and it changed my MvC2 life… then you switched to Sent, which is cool. So I started thinkin of other options for a 3rd using Spiral/Cable as 1 and 2 (Ive almost never used a team without those 2 since reading the article). SO my question is… what about Doom? The Spiral Sent trap is very good, of course, but couldn’t some real lock down nastiness be done with Spiral and Doom? Or I guess to nutshell my question, could you maybe breakdown the pros and cons of Sentinel vs Doom in spot 3? I cant offer any specific Spiral-Doom traps, but it seems like it’d be almost too easy to lock down with knives and rocks. Sell me on Sentinel instead!
Thanks! I’m about to play this game tongiht for the 1st time in a loooong time. And I cant decide if I should bring the Sent or the Doom! I think I play a better Doom point than Sent, but if there’s concrete reason why Sent is better for Spiral, I’m all over it fo sho
How about dealing with Blackheart,Sent and Commando that team gets on my nerves.And also how do u deal with Iron Man I know hes not top 4 but he can get annoying. Thanks in advance , your spiral is godlike.
After playing, I feel kinda silly for that post actually. I’m f’n loving sentinel lol But I do appreciate the answer. Just figured coming up with some kind of Spiral Doom trap woulda been hella easy. But Sentinel, whether as an assist or as a point, is too fun. Doom can kiss my ass lol
i’ve been using the spiral sent team and i think it’s cool because i’m tired of seeing the same ol’ teams like msp. It’s great that finally somebody else uses another character besides magneto or storm. Anyways, quick question:
I can play good against magneto, but some how i always have trouble playing against storm! Do you have any advice on how to play against storm?
Wow, you must of spent some time in training mode trying to figure out Duc’s all-mighty-flashy combo that he’s going to pull off at EVO huh? Lol, don’t worry I would go CRAZY trying to figure it out, afterall it is my main team. (well spiral/xx/sent).
But when he said it doesn’t involve grabs (spiral buster), supers, or power grabs, i gave up… I thought spiral buster would be used (cause of the reset, guess not) (although i’m sure there are half-life combos that involve assists+spiral buster, just not the one he’s going to use at EVO).
ZZ_Jaron, that combo sounds really interesting. :smokin: I’m surprised that the first half of that combo is done on ground (which is a really long time on the ground). writes it down. I’ll try it and let you guys know how it turns out and see if i can add anything :smokin:
I’m not duc, but I can help you out a bit. Here are 2 effective ways to help you out.
1. For rushers, mag/storm who come at you a LOT, you wanna use the dance-circle move a bit more often (Down-forward LK with knives loaded). I can’t emphasize to how important this is. Theres many times where mag/storm will try to come but they end up getting hit or blocking/going back from the dance circle. It really helps because it’s a circle around you that slowly expands out.
2. Also, againest storm when your on the opposite corner with knives loaded you wanna normal jump & throw a few swords whenever you see her on the opposite side on the ground. (kinda often too) Why? cause when she’s on the ground, she can do her hail-super anytime. Trust me. You’ll be interrupting a LOT of her hail storms (while she’s slowly going back to do hail). This or you can just expect her to throw a hail anytime (whenever you see her on the ground), and simply block. Heh. Hope that helps man :smokin:
thnx alot man. It’s because i’ve been fighting this one guy at the school arcade and i can get pass his mag, but i somehow end up failing when i fight against storm. I’ll be sure to use these tips!
