Spies like us: The MvC3 C.Viper Team/Matchup Discussion Thread

That tier list is pretty spot on. If we were going to order them though I would have Dante #1 (I know I said Zero earlier but everytime I say someone is the best I remember how dumb Dante is). Then I would go Zero, Magneto, Viper, Wesker. Im still not aboard the Viper being #1. But my thoughts about her since I started using her have taken a crazy jump. I us to think she was OK now I know she is easily one of the best. I still think the 3 I listed are better but not by much. You could toss around Viper, Zero, Magneto, and Dante around in any order and have a solid argument though. The gap between them isn’t that large.

I don’t ever count Phoenix anymore when it comes to tier discussion lol I just think she is too much of crapshoot to really place anywhere. I wish she would just leave because she makes the game so unfun.

The thing is, as much of a crapshoot as she can be, she has amazing tools out the wazzoo. If it wasn’t for the whole DPh thing, people would be shitting themselves about theory Phoenix rather than Theory Viper.

Also, Wesker is just unstoppable, that’s my thoughts on that one. He’s just better than Wolverine (I said it), and that scares the bajesus out of me.

I feel there are ways to contain Wesker which prevent him from being in the same category as the “fab 4”. Certain assists like drones really piss on Wesker. Magneto + Drones is free against Wesker I think. I do think Wesker poops on the lower tiers though more so than the fab 4 basially just due to his high health. But I think he has some problems against the fab 4 except for maybe Viper which feels more like 5/5.

Im excited for Ultimate. The fab 4 is pretty much going nowhere, Dante has a few ??? right now but his character design basically means that it will be really hard to make him not viable. So far none of the new characters look like they will be “S” tier but then again its all theory right now when it comes to them. I hope the new characters are all really good though for more variety.

The thing is, Wesker has assists too, and he takes advantage of assists better than any other character in the game IMO.

True. He is really annoying to fight. Guns + teleports pisses everyone off.

I also forgot to add that I think Dormammu deserves to be talked about with that group we just discussed. Dormammu is such a scary character but there aren’t many great Dorm players I feel. I played Masta CJ’s Dormammu online and with his teleports + Magneto assist its a gigantic guessing game the entire time. He has his own unblockables. Oh yea, and in level 3 he is insane. I pretty much feel like I win if someone blows XFC early and I get down to Dorm with 4-5 meter to play with. He can literally stand still and just spam balls, towers, and chaotic flames and chip to death.

I think Dorm is very good, but mostly as an anchor, he has lots of tools, but low mobility. Also, he has to take some risk when he does stuff, while someone like Viper does not.

Okay, I’m taking a dump here, here’s my Zero stuff:

My Zero BnB (For Nissan):

Alternative combo ender:

Using Sougenmu Handeki like Taxmaster arrows (because Chrisis mentioned it)

Note: Works with Shippuga too.

Sougenmu Shippuga Relaunch (No FADC required):

Note: You can relaunch with regular Shippuga too, but then you need to do the FADC.

Dormammu would be up there with the other top characters if Viper didn’t counter him so hard. He looks really low tier because of that match up, but with his ability to be a bigger threat from the air in ultimate he’ll definitely be scary.

In theory fighter maximized characters Viper 10-0s pretty much the entire cast because of how stupid just seismic hammer is. This will never happen. I was playing as a lot of easy mode teams this weekend and will post my thoughts later since I’ve only slept 2 hours in the last 36 or so.

^ speaking of easy-mode.

Simple mode viper is so broken, lol… Hold up and mash special FTW! Most consistant way to seismo spam

Now that I’m awake some stuff from my normal weekend session.

I went to Keystone II’s Bar and Grill tournament and took second in Marvel to F-Champ. He’s the one who sent me to losers and eliminated me from the tournament as per normal =/.

After expending all my energy there I didn’t feel like putting the effort into playing Viper as me dropping things was aggravating after the loss which always drives me insane but since this was a larger tourney than Starbase I was more drained than normal and just felt like doing easy mode battles 90% of the rest of the weekend. Here are some random things with the scrubby characters I was using.

Dante (Primarily with Magneto, Dormammu, Haggar and Chris assists) : It’s possible to volcano jump cancel assist summon teleport cancel for some incredibly dirty things in an offensive maneuver, always possible even on advance guard after a mid range Stinger. I’m doing gun loops now if I hit someone anti-air by doing jump C into killer bee, back dash S to start it off, I thought this would be hard since Dante players say it is, but it’s really not that bad. Stinger, reverb shock devil trigger is stupid good and I was hitting some combos off of it. People still don’t give enough respect to either hammer or standing B. I feel his spot for second best in the game may not be as secure as I thought…

Wesker (Primarily with Magneto, Sentinel, Haggar, and Dormammu assists) : This character is ridiculously easy to play, at Keystone when I didn’t want to play my team any more I was mirror matching people a lot and if they had Wesker on their team I would win. He’s pretty much like playing Wolverine except without the glaring zoning weaknesses, his mix up also can be set up without gauge safely at way too many ranges with EM disruptor which simply gives you a combo a large majority of the time and even better can be used to punish a lot of things that really shouldn’t be punishable, EM disruptor hitting before gun also lets Wesker get a full combo on what had been a standing opponent.

Sentinel (Primarily Haggar, Wesker, and Magneto assists) : I actually really like his normals right now jump B is awesome. I think 90% of my hits are counterpoking since my Sent mix up is very minimal when I don’t have Wesker assist. Viper + drones is exceptionally silly if you have good zoning, I had a match where I did nothing but seismo and drones to victory. Sentinel’s DHC glitch in makes me feel like a scrub.

Magneto (Primarily with Dormammu, Viper, Sentinel, and Wesker assists) : He may be as good as Dante, he covers certain angles better than any other character and now that I can powder slap into DHC glitch with him I was killing unpatched Sentinel in one touch around 30% of the time (I’m still not solid with that combo yet) People need to use Magnetic blast more, if he has drones on screen and a Magnetic blast you can create a lot of really weird situations. Everything hit confirms into death thanks to the glitch, it’s really quite stupid. You can get some really stupid things set up by forcing someone to block a dark hole when they’re just off the ground, if they pushblock you get a ridiculous throw left right mix up that’s incredibly difficult to deal with.

Dormammu (Primarily with Wesker and Magneto assists) : I played a lot of team Masta CJ and it was really fun albeit incredibly easy. Dormammu is a really good character against pretty much every character who isn’t Viper/Dante/Mags/Wesker/Dog. Against Viper he’s hopeless and even when Champ plays me he makes sure that Magneto has to kill my Viper if Dormammu’s next cause that fight is so miserable despite him being a better player. Dorm’s hitboxes are stupid, his meteors are incredibly stupid and in XF3 you can charge up more meteors during the time meteors fall. --; his normals do far too much damage so just basic B, B, C, S combos with Wesker/Viper relaunches kills the dog, Akuma etc.

Viper (Not played a ton this weekend, but done primarily with Dante and Magneto assists) : She’s harder than all of the above characters to use, but in the rare circumstances I’m not dropping execution I feel that she’s also entirely better than them, the gap between her and Dante/Magneto is fairly large. There are some matches I play where even though I screw up just the fact that Viper exists did 75% damage to a character because seismic hammer is stupid and chips far too much. I miss my horizontal arrows assist, it made it easier to hit confirm into a kill off of really weird situations, but now I can confirm into kills off of a lot more air to air than I used to. I don’t use focus into EX seismo enough and alternatively random EX thunderknuckle when I have 3 or more gauges. EX thunderknuckle is amazing and the block stun is long enough to visually confirm whether you need to cancel it into an EX seismo for safety, EX burn kick for overhead, or nothing on hit. Dark hole is actually really good for Viper though I’m debating about trying her with purification assist to check if it viably works to deal with the area that normally uses Jam session. The issue is on hit they get popped way higher with purification with far less time to hit confirm than Jam session.

Yea Wesker is stupidly herp derpy to play. Wolverine is the only one that beats him in easy mode factor and even that is debatable. Wolverine/Wesker/Akuma team 0 brain power.

I love my seismo. Sometimes if i feel like zoning ill steal atleast 50% or 75% of their life before they get a chance to get in or I land a solid hit and kill em. I love that. :] Glad to see you did well at the major tournament. Second is good, but then again it is Ryan. I will never take anything away from him seeing how much I’ve watched him play.

Coma Brain Power. I lost a piece of my soul playing that team the other day. I just felt so dirty after that I needed a cold shower as punishment.

Seismic Hammer <3. I have been running Viper/Haggar/Phoenix only, for like a week now, and this team kind of forces you to up your Seismo game. I swear it feels like I am using over 100 SH’s per match. I have never spammed a move this much before in any fighting game. And the funny thing is…the more I use it, the more it makes me win.

yeah, i tried hagger with viper, its pretty ridiculous

In an ironic twist of fate, my joystick is having problems (need a new JLF ball top), so I can’t siesmo properly. As a result I’ve been using a crap ton of BK’s… that move is also pretty nuts.

I watched that video breakdown of Dr. Strange today. It looks like he has a few great assists for C.Viper

The one that stood out to me was the “Eye of Augomoto” (however it’s spelled) it’s that tracking ball he does, hit’s 10 times from what I saw and looks like a great lockdown assist

I dont use enough burnk kicks at all. My Viper is still pretty shitty lol the only real thing I have started abusing is focus attack into EX Seismo aka the ultimate “fuck off” move in this game.

My rapid seismos/spacing game has vastly improved though. As my mix ups are getting a little better. I think Zero is here to stay for the rest of Vanilla for my Viper team, might switch to Dormammu every now and then.

The beauty of MvC3 is that there are a lot of bloody good assists so finding synergy between characters isnt hard at all. Im sure Strang will go great with Viper as will he go good with a large chunk of the cast.

I have been having this really bad feeling lateyl though im not gonna like ultimate as much as vanilla :(. Im just scared they are gonna fuck with the game too hard.

My problem right now is finding a replacement assist for dante or ammy, basically the assist that allows you to do the final seismo, hit and burn kick at the end of viper’s combo for that added damage/meter

Besides making Xfactor and TAC more scrub friendly. They nerfed all the brainless top tiers which is a good thing.

I been playing MvC3 online alot lately and it is such a rare occasion to find someone that does not us Wesker, Wolvie, Akuma, Phoenix or a cheap assist to spam like Haggar or Tron… Ultimate can’t come soon enough

By final Siesmo do you mean siesmo 3X or just the OTG siesmo?