I have been playing this game recently and now I’m wondering what the tiers were.
I know certain charaters are beastly in all of the SC games like Xianghua, Taki, Ivy, Mitsurugi, and one or two others.
But I would like a concrete list.
Anyone know?
astaroth and yoshimitsu were 1 and 2 IIRC.
too bad guardimpact.com went down. That was the original resource site for SC1.
Kilik was up there in Soul Calibur 2 IIRC
I thought he was mid-tier in 2 o.O
Xianghua was a beast in 2, I believe.
not that this is related at all, but kilik was beast in sc2. He was never really appreciated much in high level play but seriously:
AA natural combo that kills step, safe on block
AAB hit confirm 90 damage (1/3 life) on counter hit
3K i14 low invincible mid, safe on block
6AA:B+K hit confirm 90 damage, 6AA is safe
4A tech crouching LS step covering (safe on block)
6B best poke in the game (safe on block)
2K i13 safe low poke
2A knocks down, i18, safe low
1_3A+B safe low into 40 damage, if throw is broken TER into free launch
22_88B easy 80 damage side stepping launcher
Kilik was ridiculous in the right hands. Kilik could lock the screen up with his completely safe horizontal coverage, and then get free mixups with 33_99A,A ; 33_99A ; 33_99A:BTJF 2A and 22A, 22A,B and 22A,B~g or score nasty counter hit combos with AAB, aAB or 6AA:B+K. After the opponent starts to freeze from all the horizontals, Kilik could force completely safe lows and play high/low mixup without ever needing a knockdown.
Kilik had the safest movelist in sc2, all his best tools were completely safe on block. Sure X was gay, but some of X’s essential tools were dangerous (throws and 3A).
Kilik in SC2 was good…on paper. He’s just as good as all the other mid tiers.
AA is safe on block yes but a high level player will block the first A and always duck the second and get guaranteed damage on you…so it’s not necessarily all that great to throw out a lot.
So anyway EmblemLord, are you talking about SC2 or SC3? I’d say in both cases, Xianghua is top tier. In SC3, tiers are usually thought to be Xianghua, Cassandra, and Sophitia as top, Mitsurugi, Astaroth, Taki, Setsuka as upper mid…everyone else as mid tier except Raphael, Tira, Talim, and Rock who are agreed as being low tier.
I’m talking about the original Soul Caliber for Dreamcast.
Upper-mid. IIRC the top tier characters were Ivy and Mitsurugi. Soph and Cass might be up there too, but I’m less sure about them.
Ivy was upper mid at best, Mitsu was straight mid. Soph and Cass were both mid tier.
As I recall, Yoshi, Cervy, and X were the top 3 in SC2.
SC1 was pretty much all Astaroth, 66K bullshit and non GIable throws made him the best 50/50 character in the game.
In SC1, Taki and Maxi were said to be the top tiers. Taki because of her speedy strings and Maxi because of the lockdown he could apply thanks to huge blockstun on his strings. Rock was, once again, low tier.
Don’t forget Callmeanewb, Asta’s nasty ass 4** move…crazy blockstun, hits grounded, does hella damage, forced crouch…nasty, it’s back to being the same way in SC3.
Curse my good memory…This is what guardimpact.com had for those two games:
SC:
- Taki
- Maxi
The bottoms were Cervantes and Mina.
SCII:
- Cervantes
- Yoshimitsu
- Mitsurugi
- Kilik
- Xianghua
- Taki
- Ivy
skip a few…
3rd worst: Sophitia
2nd worst: Maxi
Fuck you very much and good night tier: Yunsung
Just some random thoughts…
SC1 I think is a pretty hard game to tier isnt it? I mean wasnt the general consencus that CERVANTES was the best in the game. But some of the top players to tha tmade the teir list all said that cervantes sucked. But almost everyone was always complaining about him. So there were some pretty drasticly diff views on the game. Also wasnt kiliks stance bug found late into the games life span? Im sure had it been found earlier he woulda been higher shurg…
As for 2, arcade and console version are pretty different eh? So kinda hard to have one tier list, cuz kilik was better in console that I recall. And I never recall him being ever better then high mid tier AT Best. Usualy he was around mid I thought shrug.
Cervantes has alot of BS that he can do.
SC is indeed a hard game to tier. It is very balanced.
Cervantes the best in SC1? Why? Instant torpedo?
I think Krazie was right with Taki and Maxi being the top two. I know Asta was said to be around 4. That’s about all I remember. I played a lot of Hwang, and I can say he was probably upper mid
As for people talking about SC2… I thought Yoshi and X were the tops. Cervantes was below them with Mitsu right up around all of them. That’s of course not including the “secret” guys (Berserker)
oh snap. I remember Maxi. He had like infinite strings of never ending frame advantage. Sometimes though I think he was only ranked that highly because WCMaxi exerted a lot of bias when he made his charts.
People hate on kilik purely cause he’s a completely uninteresting character to play, and can’t abuse step-G whoring in the same way that X, Cervy and Yoshi can. But he’s incredibly solid.
I know top 8 in SC was Xianghua, Taki, Maxi, Yoshimitsu, Mitsurugi, Astaroth, Ivy and Hwang.
Not in that order.
Hwang and Ivy were just under tops. High tier, but could still compete. That’s pretty much what I remember.
Yeah Cervy was bottom, but he was still nasty. Had some good normal strings and some nice 8 way run moves. And alot of nice stun attacks.
I remember Hwang can cancel his 66KK and his 66 KKK strings with a soul charge and then cancel that. From there he has nasty mix-ups with grabs or unblockables thanks to cancelled Soul charge. He could also go into a normal pressure string too or his good lows like 11_77A or 3AA to grab.
Hwang was so beast.
Kilik in 2 was decent, but not above X thats for sure.
Also, I think you got mixed up, Sophie in 2 isnt 3rd worst, maybe 3rd best.
sophitia was third worst in sc2. She was third best in SC3.
It’s funny, while kilik isn’t better than X on the whole, he had the best matchup against her compared to any other character.
He also had an 8way run move that parried highs and mids. Hwang was just damn solid. I <3’d him. Exactly why I liked Assassin in sc2. That boy could work it at all ranges.
i dont claim to be a top sc player or anything, but i dont see how anyone can claim that x and sophie weren’t the top 2 characters in the game, when the top2 players CONSISTENTLY dominated everyone in the us with them…(mick and rtd).