Sony has a 79% chance to go bankrupt within the next two years

[crotchpuncha]

I wouldn’t put piracy killing the dreamcast that high on the list.

The fact Sega had 3 failed consoles beforehand hurt them far more than piracy could ever do, and the fact just making one Dreamcast costed them a lot of money they really didn’t have at the time, added to the fact PS2 was right around the corner most just avoided the Dreamcast and waited for a ps2. Even with Sega Slashing the Dreamcasts price (which hurt them even more) no one still wanted a dreamcast. In other words: Sega Beat the Dreamcast to near death, and Sony just delivered the killing blow.

Wasn’t Shenmue one of, if not THE most expensive game ever made back then? I remember even though it sold millions of copies, that Sega still lost money on it because the development costs were nuts, not taking into account how badly Sega’s old consoles did.

Yup. Dev cost for Shenmue was 70 Million, the most expensive game ever made at the time of it’s release. There weren’t enough Dreamcast’s in circulation for them to make the money back. Every DC owner coulda bought the game and they wouldn’t have broke even.

[S00perCam]

study posted by torrent website.

seems legit

Yes because North Carolina State University is not like an accredited school or anything

[Infernoman]

There is a certain amount of piracy that is needed for advertisement and to generate a buzz. When studies were done tracking film piracy it was found that when they managed to completely cut off piracy those films did very poorly compared to the ones that were ironically enough pirated the most. The films that had the most piracy by far made the most profits.

Typical case of “correlation does not imply causation”. So a highly anticipated movie gets pirated more than less anticipated movies? Word. I’m sure that study broke a lot of ground.

I get what your saying, but film and movie piracy is a different beast.

You people are all such spazzes. You insist pirating happens on PC gaming and that’s why sales are down for PC gaming (except they aren’t) but when someone shows you the exact same reasoning on something else you start screaming at the top of your lungs the phrase we all heard in Psych 101. Do you even understand at all what that term means? Or do you just spit it out when you don’t want to have a logical discussion and don’t like someone else’s point?

Some crappy devs that made games that nobody buys on PC came up with that whack theory and then all the console fanboys decided they’d repeat it. That dev probably doesn’t even work in the gaming industry anymore.

wtf. first off:

correlation does not imply causation means that stats that appear to increase similarly does not mean that one is the direct cause of the other. so piracy in your “study” does not cause more interest in movies. its a statistical fallacy. the more realistic reason for these two stats to increase is that people who really want to watch something are likely going to watch it by paying or via pirating. if something sucks so bad that people aren’t even trying to find a way to pirate probably means no one want to see via piracy or paying for it.

this would be like me saying “since the 1970’s, the number of aids cases has been increasing. also since the 1970’s, video games have increase in number as well. therefore, videogames are the cause of aids.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kjh2110/the-10-most-bizarre-correlations

when did i say anything else that you said in your post at all? you sound spazzy and like a horrible person to converse with.

edit: and also, i knew it was a bad idea responding to you. you basically posted a baseless “study” that uses a statistical fallacy to imply something that isn’t true, then said “piracy is good. unless its too much. then its bad. but a little is good. companies “pirate” their own shit to take advantage of this.”

for every case you can claim that benefited a movie/album/game helped sales, you can find hundreds of situations without the same outcome.

I know what it means you stupid cretin, you copy and pasting from wikipedia however shows you have no idea what it means and how it’s being applied to the conversation at hand.

This is why I hate even conversing on the internet, stupid people like you are impossible to teach reasoning to. Just how bad are the school systems that morons like you are the result?

There is so much bullshit in your logic. Simple fact, before digital music piracy, Bands could make a living off their recording sales alone. The Beatles Stopped touring all together and only released albums.

Eh…there are a few, very few artists who can make a living from just their album sales. Most artist make a living out of touring and selling merch. The Beatles stopped touring because their concerts were terrible for fans; you had such a cosmic orgasm from all their fangirls that their collective screaming would drown out the band. As for the rest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92q9pYnaYo

I guess in short: fuck record labels because they’ve been boning artists since the dawn of time.

Behind every gifted/talented individual there’s a greedy no talent bastard ready to exploit the gifted.

[Keepin_em_Honest]

Yeah, I find Sony goin’ outta bidness a lil hard to believe. But Sony should have known that they weren’t gonna be pullin’ PS and PS2 numbers forever, as far as the PS3’s failures go. Those sales were crazy and those consoles were exactly what was needed at that time. Nowadays, nobody’s gonna buy a 600$ inferior PC with a blu-ray drive in a recession. I say that as a proud and former owner of a PS3, but I waited to buy mine. I had my 360 hold me over until I got one.

I personally think the PS4 is a considerable step in the right direction. I think the XB1 is too, kinda.

PS3 was what, $500 when it was released in 2006? The PS4 at $600 in 2014 is actually worth about $500 in 2006. The bigger issue is that in 8 years you’ve seen a 20% drop in purchasing power/inflation. But wage growth has not kept up, in fact wages have just dropped.

It’s not a problem exclusive to Sony. With consumer spending being 70% of the economy, and each of these goods like the PS4 being a part of that 70% in aggregate, it’s a major issue for all industries. Right now the financial sector is doing the best because they simply use the government to funnel money to themselves. The healthcare industry is getting a slice of that with Obamacare. That’s further adding pressure to the industries that don’t control the government (nearly as much) as the two biggest lobbying groups in the country.

The only thing the general public can afford right now is…Apple products. Maybe if Sony operated on a “contract” where you get stuck with the console for 2 years and pay more for it, then get an upgrade, that could work for them just as well. People can’t actually afford to pay $600 for a phone. So they pay about $1000 for it (lol poor people logic) but over a 2 year time period.

Outside of that I don’t know how Sony and these other companies are going to have an easy time getting access to people’s wallets, especially fighting Obama the entire US Government for a piece of it. Or maybe it’s the other way around and Obama The Government is just a puppet crony of Wall St. and the Healthcare industry.

I agree with some version of this.

My point about the PS3 not being affordable was not that the PS3 costed way too much money, but that it costed way too much money for what it did and was technically a waste, as their were cheaper products that did the same things.

I would also add that the PS3 was 600$+ (tax included) in 06, meanwhile the PS4 is 400$+ (tax included) with over 100 more gigs of memory…and an HDMI port. The PS4 is more affordable because it’s more bang for your buck than the PS3 was, in 06-10. I also don’t see Apple stickin’ around at the top for too much longer, either. If the PS3 situation was bad, the Apple situation is terrible. Apple’s competition are offerin’ very similar and even superior products for damn near half the price. If you had said Samsung’s smart phones and tablets would outsell Apple’s 4 years ago, people would have thought you were crazy. Even MS Phones and Tablets are startin’ pick up. There are just too many products that do the same things and companies are startin’ to realize that the only real way to go is to dial back expected profits in the short term by sellin’ cheaper and findin’ ways to cut corners from the inside.

[Taito]

I wouldn’t put piracy killing the dreamcast that high on the list.

The fact Sega had 3 failed consoles beforehand hurt them far more than piracy could ever do, and the fact just making one Dreamcast costed them a lot of money they really didn’t have at the time, added to the fact PS2 was right around the corner most just avoided the Dreamcast and waited for a ps2. Even with Sega Slashing the Dreamcasts price (which hurt them even more) no one still wanted a dreamcast. In other words: Sega Beat the Dreamcast to near death, and Sony just delivered the killing blow.

Wasn’t Shenmue one of, if not THE most expensive game ever made back then? I remember even though it sold millions of copies, that Sega still lost money on it because the development costs were nuts, not taking into account how badly Sega’s old consoles did.

Sega had a sugar daddy (philanthropic) parent company that didn’t look too closely at the company’s failures and mismanagement. I think under that company, they normally would have brushed off a game as monstrous as Shenmue ending up a modest success, if Sega wasn’t in financial trouble for most of the 90s. The parent company president died, they let Sega go up for sale, and Sammy cleaned up house at Sega, for better or worse.

There is a certain amount of piracy that is needed for advertisement and to generate a buzz. When studies were done tracking film piracy it was found that when they managed to completely cut off piracy those films did very poorly compared to the ones that were ironically enough pirated the most. The films that had the most piracy by far made the most profits.

Typical case of “correlation does not imply causation”. So a highly anticipated movie gets pirated more than less anticipated movies? Word. I’m sure that study broke a lot of ground.

I get what your saying, but film and movie piracy is a different beast.

You people are all such spazzes. You insist pirating happens on PC gaming and that’s why sales are down for PC gaming (except they aren’t) but when someone shows you the exact same reasoning on something else you start screaming at the top of your lungs the phrase we all heard in Psych 101. Do you even understand at all what that term means? Or do you just spit it out when you don’t want to have a logical discussion and don’t like someone else’s point?

Some crappy devs that made games that nobody buys on PC came up with that whack theory and then all the console fanboys decided they’d repeat it. That dev probably doesn’t even work in the gaming industry anymore.

wtf. first off:

correlation does not imply causation means that stats that appear to increase similarly does not mean that one is the direct cause of the other. so piracy in your “study” does not cause more interest in movies. its a statistical fallacy. the more realistic reason for these two stats to increase is that people who really want to watch something are likely going to watch it by paying or via pirating. if something sucks so bad that people aren’t even trying to find a way to pirate probably means no one want to see via piracy or paying for it.

this would be like me saying “since the 1970’s, the number of aids cases has been increasing. also since the 1970’s, video games have increase in number as well. therefore, videogames are the cause of aids.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kjh2110/the-10-most-bizarre-correlations

when did i say anything else that you said in your post at all? you sound spazzy and like a horrible person to converse with.

edit: and also, i knew it was a bad idea responding to you. you basically posted a baseless “study” that uses a statistical fallacy to imply something that isn’t true, then said “piracy is good. unless its too much. then its bad. but a little is good. companies “pirate” their own shit to take advantage of this.”

for every case you can claim that benefited a movie/album/game helped sales, you can find hundreds of situations without the same outcome.

I know what it means you stupid cretin, you copy and pasting from wikipedia however shows you have no idea what it means and how it’s being applied to the conversation at hand.

This is why I hate even conversing on the internet, stupid people like you are impossible to teach reasoning to. Just how bad are the school systems that morons like you are the result?

There is so much bullshit in your logic. Simple fact, before digital music piracy, Bands could make a living off their recording sales alone. The Beatles Stopped touring all together and only released albums.

Eh…there are a few, very few artists who can make a living from just their album sales. Most artist make a living out of touring and selling merch. The Beatles stopped touring because their concerts were terrible for fans; you had such a cosmic orgasm from all their fangirls that their collective screaming would drown out the band. As for the rest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92q9pYnaYo

I guess in short: fuck record labels because they’ve been boning artists since the dawn of time.

Behind every gifted/talented individual there’s a greedy no talent bastard ready to exploit the gifted.

In TLC’s case that was 80s urban pop star Pebbles, mad at those cute young bitches.

[MotM]

I’ve heard various quotes about the cost of developing Shenmue from different Sega employees, ranging from $70 million to $120 million. It sounds like that type of thing where they were just throwing money at the project without much internal accountability, to the point where they’re not quite sure how much to credit the development costs as. Same thing with EA’s TOR.

Also, fact check from some of the previous quotes. The PS3 cost $600, the $500 version was extremely unpopular and Sony stopped manufacturing it only months after the system launch. The PS3 also has an HDMI port, all versions.