Hype is hype. Pirates don’t go “Hey i got this for free, you should go buy it.” They go “Yo that shit was good, you should check it out.” And then the people they tell that to tend to go check it out, some of those people pirate, and most of them buy the product.
show me.
i’m not disagreeing, mind you. i think that your average person finds piracy much more difficult than purchasing things. but i would love to see a study where someone says this and actually has proof to back it up.
if you are going to structure an argument around conjecture, then fine. i’m okay with that. but don’t get pissy and insulting when you get called out on it. i was pretty fucking civil before being essentially called an idiot.
They are, in fact, identical. Your friends don’t care where your video games come from.
It doesn’t. Again, your friends don’t care where your video games come from. Tracking causes of piracy is a completely different topic, fyi.
I haven’t done this in the slightest. I’ve just pointed out that Serpent is right. Piracy has the capacity to increase sales, and the highest sales a title can achieve are only possible if said title receives some piracy. It’s not my fault you’re assuming other shit.
You know what mostly fails about this anecdote? It’s not the fact that you’re completely oblivious to how you’re not going to pay HBO any money no matter what, making the problem of piracy a moot point in this anecdote. It’s that you’re taking for granted the “word of mouth” part I was talking referring to while still acting as though you’re refuting any part of it.
Again, large conversation, you’re 30 beats behind in it, it’s showing.
Hey dork, you know by torrenting that YOU pirated it right? Who do you think is the pirate in your scenario? LMAO
I don’t believe i ever called you an idiot or insulted you tho…
And I don’t have a study, just examples of it happening, like The Pillows example above. Their record sales skyrocketed after people started pirating their stuff and spreading the word around, they where rather small time before the early 2000’s. Small time bands put their stuff up for piracy all the time because it generates interest which spreads through word of mouth free advertising.
I just said piracy is bad. I haven’t taken either side of this discussion. You keep throwing insults about thongs I never said like "pc gaming is on the decline. " good job.
You didn’t. I have no problem with you.
I’m was speaking globally, not in a 1 on 1 scenario (I realize that my example may have led to that conclusion, my bad. )
But the idea that word of mouth from piracy is essential is still a fallacy. There is an event in sf that they call “real escape room”. You go into a room with a bunch on people and try to escape. Its a scenario where you cannot pirate: you can only make a knockoff. The only way you can experience it is to go and pay. And it went from a small event to running year round selling out within days (sometimes hours) of announcing new events.
It all comes from word of mouth hype from payers or second hand experience, no pirating. Please, paint me a scenario where these guys would be more profitable with piracy if it were possible? Show me that piracy of entertainment is a necessary for success.
You guys trying to justify stealing by believing in consumer goodness is lol. Do Devs need to probably need to release better demos or something along the lines of PS+ and have a trial version of the games? Of friggin course they should
But what you are talking about is essentially giving someone a full copy of the game, and hoping through the kindness of their heart that they will buy the game later.
Sorry, doesn’t work like that. You can try to justify it all you want but you are still illegally creating copies of games without paying first, which puts you in a position to straight up NOT pay for the full product, and that’s bad. Its not sustainable. Like, damn, this is kind of getting me angry.
Piracy did so fucking well for the dreamcast right? The dreamcast’s piracy problem was like a top 2 reason why it failed. If you are so sure about what you are saying please post more than just ONE example to where piracy boosts sales, rather than the most popular stuff that just happens to be pirated the most.
I wouldn’t put piracy killing the dreamcast that high on the list.
The fact Sega had 3 failed consoles beforehand hurt them far more than piracy could ever do, and the fact just making one Dreamcast costed them a lot of money they really didn’t have at the time, added to the fact PS2 was right around the corner most just avoided the Dreamcast and waited for a ps2. Even with Sega Slashing the Dreamcasts price (which hurt them even more) no one still wanted a dreamcast. In other words: Sega Beat the Dreamcast to near death, and Sony just delivered the killing blow.
Stop trying to argue with NeoGAF kids.
They are too fucking stupid to realize how fucking stupid they are.
Yes tautology, yes correct.
You are right, but you’re pissing against the wind.
I understand that you might have it in your head that retarded children can, at times, at least be trained as to believe what is correct, if not ever be able to comprehend the why of it - but that requires humble retards.
And those kids lack even the concept of humility.
The Sega CD mortally wounded Sega.
The bastard was simply too magnificent to die for a couple more generations.
Incredible really how you honestly believe PC gaming is all piracy when I don’t even have a fucking job and I own more legit games than I could possibly play. Steam and Humble Bundle are all but killing PC piracy pretty much everywhere but 3rd world countries. In 3rd world countries most console gaming is piracy as it’s more than worth it to go the extra effort, perhaps the only way you could legitimately own 10 games.
Yeah, piracy killed the Dreamcast! Except for the fact that there were millions more copied PSX games than DC games. I guess the PSX was also a failure!
Your cited example of an artist that can subsist off of record sales is… The Beatles? One of the most popular bands of all time (that released their final album in 1970)? If this is the game we are playing, entire continents mostly pirate Windows/Office and Microsoft still makes billions, while unauthorized downloaders keep MS products at the forefront of required PC software. I just proved piracy is awesome!
Record album sales are just about the single worst example you could cite. That money goes into the hands of the record labels, not the artists… and the article you cited does not mention A SINGLE WORD about piracy, only that artists don’t make any money off albums (which is THE POINT). What are you going to say next, pirating movies stops all the massive profit theaters make on ticket sales? You’re contributing more to the death of movie theaters by smuggling in a bottle of water and some candy than you are by downloading the movie.
Particularly when it comes to music, the single best thing to happen would be the total collapse of the music labels. They are the equivalent of the finance or health insurance industries: middle men who do nothing but siphon out wealth from transactions between interested parties, while adding approximately nothing of value. The quicker we (as a society) can hasten their demise, the better off we will all be.
Lol comparing PS1 piracy to dreamcast piracy HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the irony is that Sega in order to surpass Nintendo in sales, promoted an image of rebelliousness and anti-establishment among youth.
that same image was soon forgotten when Sega became #1 and started to hunt pirates…
I see a lot of parent buying portable consoles for their kids and they expect the shop employee to add some free games too!
in smaller shops this happens…
Dreamcast was the WII U of that generation minus nintendo characters. There being hackers on top of that would make me summon Odin
Eh…there are a few, very few artists who can make a living from just their album sales. Most artist make a living out of touring and selling merch. The Beatles stopped touring because their concerts were terrible for fans; you had such a cosmic orgasm from all their fangirls that their collective screaming would drown out the band. As for the rest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92q9pYnaYo
I guess in short: fuck record labels because they’ve been boning artists since the dawn of time.
Yeah, I find Sony goin’ outta bidness a lil hard to believe. But Sony should have known that they weren’t gonna be pullin’ PS and PS2 numbers forever, as far as the PS3’s failures go. Those sales were crazy and those consoles were exactly what was needed at that time. Nowadays, nobody’s gonna buy a 600$ inferior PC with a blu-ray drive in a recession. I say that as a proud and former owner of a PS3, but I waited to buy mine. I had my 360 hold me over until I got one.
I personally think the PS4 is a considerable step in the right direction. I think the XB1 is too, kinda.
Wasn’t Shenmue one of, if not THE most expensive game ever made back then? I remember even though it sold millions of copies, that Sega still lost money on it because the development costs were nuts, not taking into account how badly Sega’s old consoles did.
For all you guys putting any stock into Macroaxis’s probability of Sony going bankrupt.
Nintendo at 75% chance of bankruptcy in the next 2 years.
Stop giving clickbait articles views or attention.
PS3 was what, $500 when it was released in 2006? The PS4 at $600 in 2014 is actually worth about $500 in 2006. The bigger issue is that in 8 years you’ve seen a 20% drop in purchasing power/inflation. But wage growth has not kept up, in fact wages have just dropped.
It’s not a problem exclusive to Sony. With consumer spending being 70% of the economy, and each of these goods like the PS4 being a part of that 70% in aggregate, it’s a major issue for all industries. Right now the financial sector is doing the best because they simply use the government to funnel money to themselves. The healthcare industry is getting a slice of that with Obamacare. That’s further adding pressure to the industries that don’t control the government (nearly as much) as the two biggest lobbying groups in the country.
The only thing the general public can afford right now is…Apple products. Maybe if Sony operated on a “contract” where you get stuck with the console for 2 years and pay more for it, then get an upgrade, that could work for them just as well. People can’t actually afford to pay $600 for a phone. So they pay about $1000 for it (lol poor people logic) but over a 2 year time period.
Outside of that I don’t know how Sony and these other companies are going to have an easy time getting access to people’s wallets, especially fighting Obama and his cronies for a piece of it. Or maybe it’s the other way around and Obama is just a puppet crony of Wall St. and the Healthcare industry.