except…it’s not. people have posted why they think it’s dumb regardless (or, at the least, shouldn’t be in marvel). don’t be stupid now.
Yes and the remarks about why it’s dumb “get out of jail free card” ect. don’t seem to even bother saying “how do I deal with this” or “Hang on how is everyone playing these games with burst dealing with it”, it just goes straight to “I don’t want to deal with this, it’s dumb” without any research, I mean fine if you don’t want burst in marvel then stick it in the MvC3 suggestion thread and maybe a C-unity suggestion box, but there’s really no need to take it much further.
I like how you’re reaching. but hey, that’s what some people gotta do when they have nothing.
for 1, it is more of a goojfc than NOT having it. that’s automatic. Even with counter strategies, just the fact that storm might have to stop her nj infinite because of it pretty much goes exactly to what was said, you need to worry less about defense and all the high pressure situations in marvel (even if just for a little bit) + the fact that it’s played with very high stakes on the line if you get hit, some slower/or characters that have trouble getting in shouldn’t have to worry about such techs. especially if down to last character, down to the wire. they can, but you can save that for other games. mvc2 wants to keep it’s style.
2, it’s not about “how to deal with it” plenty of us understand and acknowledge it’s use in other games (are you blind? little tired?). Nice making shit up some more!
no, it’s more than that. please please stop being dumb. we would easily say don’t include it. but then you have scrubs coming to threads giving their scrubby idea of why it should be in when they clearly don’t understand how mvc2 (or probably any game) is played/should be played. that’s when you have people commenting on how it’s bad for mvc2 but ALSO how the scrubby players are clearly attached to this tech (for reasons stated. it can be used less scrubbily of course. but we can clearly see how it lends itself to nursing the scrubs) and have 0 defense skills or and regard for defense.
hopefully you understand now. and stop making shit up for what the reasons are in your head. like mentioned, we would easily just say no megacrash, but it’s more to it than that.
Again you’re worried about people having to focus less on defense like they just going to be able to burst every time you so much as sneeze at them, so what if you have to keep paying attention once you’ve got a combo going and be ready to use a move with invincibility to blast through the burst, if you get caught out then that’s your problem, just like its the guy who’s burting’s problem if you DP, super or burst yourself to go right through it and continue the offense.
I’m not saying this needs to be in MvC3 here (although I wouldn’t mind if it was) but it’s far from a scrubby mechanic no matter how much you call anyone who disagrees with you scrubs,tired,dumb or blind.
And whereever the hell people are acknowledging that the burst is not the almighty sheild of doom, allowing players to never have to learn how to defend properly in a game again, it sure as hell isn’t here.
you’re not posting anything new. that has been addressed. like mentioned, you still have to focus less on defense even if just a little. your burst is cool shit for those specific games, mvc2 would be nothing at all how it is today if there was bursting.
did you not read the post at all? yeah, you’re near trolling. I won’t address the same thing twice. and you clearly ignore points. still, burst makes it so defense is a little less important, even if by a bit (though I’d say it’s more than that). lol. no one called it a scrubby mechanic. I specifically mentioned where it’s a mechanic that scrubs can make friends with (and that’s entirely obvious in their posts)
ok, I see you really are tired, or something. you missed it. or just really couldn’t respond well enough…but I sort of mentioned that earlier up seeing as how most of your post was based on nothing.
Uhh…losing 2 bars and a bit of life from megacrash in tvc is a BIG DEAL. Do you have any idea how bad it is to be 2 bars behind your opponent at any given time in this game?
Anyway, the flexibility of megacrash is what makes it so interesting. It can be used offensively or defensively. Many characters can use it strategically to give themselves red life for certain reset unblockable and baroque combos cough Karas cough even if the cost for using it is quite steep.
And please, people who abuse megacrash in TvC find themselves way behind in the meter race, and also, being forced to megacrash at the end of a long and painful combo hurts like fuck. You lose two bars and a whopping chunk of unscaled life ON TOP of the damage you took from the combo to start with. It’s not nearly as free as you Marvel players might like to believe.
MvC3 is most likely going to have something like Megacrash. It’s most likely going to have TvC’s hitstun scaling, and you’re all going to have to live with it.
also Lol @ that picture. what the hell is up with the Hulk’s HUGE BLOATED HEAD taking up 90% of the screen. Man Marvel characters are ugly as hell.
again, the use in other games is respected. but it still shouldn’t be in marvel. and most characters wouldn’t care about using 2 bars at all. i would even think if would be overpowered in the offensive sense in marvel. hmm
still, you can enjoy that in your own games, it shouldn’t be in mvc2 where you sometimes get few chances so your D better be as good as it can B
Megacrash actually adds another faucet to gameplay; especially at high level. Basically what happens is it encourages you to play smart and decide whether the damage you sustain is worth the cost, whether to keep saving for when you might need it then or use it now. It also goes into baiting crashes at specific points and punishing, similar to GGXX burst.
I don’t think there’s any merit in comparing megacrash about if its marvel or not…because it isn’t. The game is not marvel; its not trying to be marvel. I play both games separately and appreciate both, I don’t see what’s so hard about that.
Beats IS right though when he insinuated that a lot of people that got into TvC are wii users that usually don’t play fighters or smash, whatever and this causes their outlook on MvC to be pretty stupid. I’ve been playing and learning the earlier vs titles with people like JedahMinistry (woman is a beast) and the infinites in those games are true infinites. See, what they (stupidly) did in those games is dizzy out after a combo but after that you are actually put in a dizzy state just like SF/KOF/etc which is ridiculous. So not only do they get to continue the combo but they just got a free damage reset and there is nothing you can do about it. THAT is bullshit. MvC2 actually fixed that by dizzying you out but your character is fine afterwards.
TL;DR: People say MvC2 is the most broken game ever, but chances are they didn’t experience the BS of some of the earlier versus games. I’ll gladly take my underpowered team against God-Tier then deal with that shit.
Most characters in TvC really do care about using 2 bars. The meter economy is pretty tight even though you gain meter quickly. There are very few safe blockstrings so just throwing out moves is not necessarily a good way to build bar.
It usually only takes 2 combos to ko someone. If your opponent megacrashes the first combo, they leave themselves stripped of 2 bars, meaning the next combo to hit them is most likely going to hurt a lot more since they won’t have enough meter to megacrash after it’s finished…so players who megacrash on reaction are usually eaten up when they find they’re behind on life and bar. Getting that opportunity to tag out and heal isn’t all that easy without taking a risk either. On top of that, opponents can counter-megacrash and just continue the pressure if they have enough bar, and they probably will if they’re the one doing the combo in the first place.
Another thing you’ve got to remember is that TvC has baroque…many characters are able to use it to get lightning fast high/low mixups and crossups that are pretty much impossible to react to, not to mention IaD pressure (where there air dashes in Marvel? sheesh I can’t remember). I know Marvel has a lot of things that are hard to block, but saying that Megacrash allows player to not have to learn to defend properly is kind of silly when you consider that in TvC you really do have to keep on the ball, because it’s very easy to get hit.
And yeah, Marvel looks silly to outsiders but the undizzy feature is actually really nice. Marvel’s still got nothing on Hakuto no Ken when it comes to bullshit.
To be honest i dont think MvC3 has anything to do with TvC. Why you may ask. They are two different games that share one thing the word capcom. Lets just worry about the now and when MvC3 drops or gets close to release then we will see whats gonna happen.
WHAT!!!
son, this is mahvel. Not wack ass TvC. Look, TvC has 2 incarnations already and still NO ONE is playing it. Why would we give TvC a 3rd shot @ becoming a good game when MvC3 hasn’t even had 1 incarnation yet? There is a reason no one is touching this POS for a game, its ass.
new players need to STFU.
Here’s an idea, if new players want to play TvC, go play TvC!!! because there is a TvC!!! unbelievable!!!
remember that thread about new players hurting the scene because they can post random comments now and capcom is force to listen to them? yea, this is basically what I mean.
None of you fucks play mvc2, so how the hell can your idea’s improve upon an engine you know nothing about? seriously, its fucking retarded.
I’ve learnt something valuable today.
If you go into a thread in another game’s section which mentions your game, going on serial rants shitting on the forum section’s game and mechanics and insulting the players, going into nonsensical territory (“I’m not saying this needs to be in marvel here” “AND THIS IS WHY IT SHOULDN’T BE IN MAHRVAL”) and as far away from the origional topic as possible without turning it into a thread about food is not called trolling, it is called being an OG.
And for a snide remark since it is apparent that I am posting on gamefaqs here and it’s just got an SRK skin for today, Darkstalkers has 3 incarnations and still hardly anyone touchs it even though 2 of them can be played for free with the best fighting game netcode around.
Of course here at the TvC boards we have perfected a device that will allow us to totaly manipulate every step of the production for MvC3 so you should tell your mates to all come say how marvel should be like here rather than on the marvel board.
Until the over zelous marvel defense league came in there was only one post even reffering to Marvel 3 turning out like TvC anyway and that wasn’t even specificly hoping for it to do so or predicting it would.
are you still posting weak posts. first off, some of these posters posted in other threads about what marvel should be. secondly, no one would’ve replied if certain scrubs didn’t totally post misinformation about mvc2 (and then expect that they should give input or know which way mvc3 should go).
sorry, your posters were off topic too.
c’mon now. your last 3 posts in this thread are just trolling (making as much shit up as possible, reaching, ignoring obvious points and why stuff is happening)
stop posting clearly scrubby shit (in other words, stop “trolling” and stay on topic) and people will just roll right through and ignore this thread. unfortunately, since it is a TVC thread, it’s very likely you’re just going to have noobs/scrubs posting about something they have 0 authority or knowledge on.
I just love how you totally misconstrued everything or maybe you simply don’t understand? like I mentioned (I don’t know why I’m repeating though since it will probably go straight over your head) we’re mostly talking about very specific posters and ideas. frustrated squirrel and tech romancer post very good non scrub like posts (though frustrated squirrel kept confusing what I was talking about, mvc2, for tvc).
you have also shown somewhat to be not on the disgusting levels of scrub-dom posters from the previous pages were…unfortunately in your blind, mindless defense of your game, you totally misinterpret/make shit up. : / which I expect to continue after this post
Marvel was a fluke. It is actually a highly balanced game at the highest levels. The glitches, characters, teams, and strategies eventually balanced out, and we ended up with a very technical, deeply rewarding fighter.
There isn’t a single character, team, or strategy that dominates all else. Even the assists have counter assists.
You won’t be able to see this if you are a casual player.
It’s the people that don’t understand what makes MARVEL such a great fighter weighing in on how it should be tweaked that I find irksome.
The shit really hit the fan when Marvel went online. People thought they were hot shit, and ran into rival players who took their game to levels they never knew existed. After they got raped, instead of asking questions, hitting the training room, and sparring with others to level up, they took the lazy way out. Nerfs. Bans. Arbitrary rules.
Saying character X should be nerfed, or this “new mechanic” should be added so I won’t get hit and destroyed when I failed to block that double overhead is tiresome.
If people would just learn to block, or actually take the time to level up their game they would see that some of the stuff they suggest isn’t necessary.
CAPCOM could potentially listen to these new or disgruntled players and make changes to the sequel that will make it a new game completely unrelated to it’s predecessors. It wouldn’t be a MARVEL Vs game anymore.
TvC has mega crash. It is a TvC feature that should stay in the TvC series. If Marvel got it, it needs to be BlazBlue style. Only once, and it will cost you your defense modifier. All your characters take damage like Servbot after you burst. Get hit again and it’s GGPO.
You get your defensive burst, and you still need to learn to block.
I’m going to lol when MVC3 becomes a sped up TVC.
Seriously though, I don’t give a damn about the style, the speed, the buttons layout, the abusable assists, or even the infinites. That’s not why I play TVC over MVC2. The reason I don’t take MVC2 seriously is because it’s broken as shit. Not even unbalanced broken, but stupid broken.
Sure, TVC ain’t hardly the best fighting game ever. Certainly not the best Vs. game ever, but at least it’s pretty close to being balanced. Capcom did a good job making every character tourney viable. With Marvel, 90% of the cast is completely free. There’s literally nothing low tier can do againist a top tier veteran. Shit’s so unbalanced, they had to make a seperate league just for low tier to be able to compete. I tried to take the game seriously, I really did, but I play low tier, so technically I wasn’t being serious at all about the game. Almost all of the characters I play in this game are useless, which makes me wonder: Why the hell are they even there?
Of course, that has zero bearings on the MVC2 cult, cause that broken shit is hella fun. Play god tier, and balance doesn’t matter anymore. MVC2 lives on. Anyone who hates the imbalance is just a scrub who sucks and play smash and shit. Bet none of yall have never even played tvc before and are just going by how it looks…
Whatever. Keep hoping and dreaming that MVC3 will be just as broken as MVC2. When the game becomes TVC 2.0, don’t worry, MVC2 will waiting for you with open arms.
God tier can be beaten by low tier. God tier is not an instant win button. God tier execution requirements are much higher than low tier.
New players, intermediates, and advanced players using god tier teams can still get curb stomped by pros and low tier specialists using non god tier teams.
You’ve got to put in some time to be able to compete in Marvel. People want instant gratification, and for some inexplicable reason think they should be able to compete on an even keel with vets, without practice.
“Marvel is broken shit because I can’t beat anyone good.” No one thought Marvel was broken till they got perfected online in 15 seconds. Peeps don’t like losing, so they blame the game.
TvC has problems. It’s no where near balanced. CGoH had Karas/Ryu, Ken/Tekka, and finally Casshern/Polymar. No other teams were going to win shit against those three squads.
TvC UAS has it’s delightful Zero/Alex/T. Blade BS. TvC is so simplistic that a well known top player who doesn’t like, or even practice playing this game can sit down and proceed to destroy all of the top US TvC players.
People who played CGoH religiously and kept their scene alive when everyone else quit. There is something very wrong with that.
Shallow, overly simplified gameplay mechanics and easy mode shortcuts in fighters should be avoided at all costs.
Marvel has survived so long due to it’s immense depth. If you are lazy or get frustrated easily you will never peel back the layers and discover it.
Even if MvC3 got turned into a bastardized TvC abomination, Marvels current top players and vets would rule it with an iron fist too.
Do you guys honestly think these players are only winning because they play a “glitch ridden BS” title?
Explain how TvC is unbalanced when just about every character can and has competed at high level? It’s much, much more balanced than MvC2, which is notorious for having a LIST of characters that are not even considered worth using. In current TvC, just about every single character is useable at high level play. Shallow? Pfft. I think you should practice what you preach. Go peel back the layers and stuff.
The problem with Marvel players is that they have this extremily annoying habit of just burying their heads in the ground when it comes to realising that their game looks absolutely stupid to anyone else except for people who play it and like it. They pretty much clamour for things in their game which most developers (and players I might add) would want to avoid. Marvel is a game of imperfections. It’s a kind of like shooting paint balls at a canvas and calling it art. It’s dumb as hell and a real mess but fun. If anything, it’s Smash Bros Melee syndrome where the viablility of the actual game comes completely from accident.
Lol at all the idiots trying to label TvC as having overly simplified controls when the design is basically just streamlined. Nothing is lost in the transition. You’re acting as if the control scheme actually impediments you, which it doesn’t. And if you find that the game is impedimenting you because of the control scheme, then boy you must suck, because a bunch of ‘scrubs’ have absolutely no problem doing all sorts of really cool shit with these controls.
Blade/Zero/Alex? Hey! Guess what? Alex is low/mid tier! T.Blade aint unbeatable either because he’s frigging awkward to use and has severe mobility issues! And Zero still has nothing on CGoH Karas.
I don’t know, but I think our game in which pretty much any character except for Gold Lightan is competitive at high levels can be considered more ‘balanced’ than a game which is notorious for having only 6 teams worth playing! yeaaaaah.
And Marvel has survived this long NOT JUST because it’s a deep game, but also because it’s userbase is filled with fantards who don’t want to let it go. And omg marvel characters! AMERICA!
Anyway, don’t get me wrong. I don’t want MvC3 to have TvC’s controls solely for the reason that I like TvC better and have no intention of playing MvC3. So I would feel quite cheated if it turned out to be TvC2.
Pot, Meet Kettle
*The problem with TvC players is that they have this extremely annoying habit of just burying their heads in the ground when it comes to realizing that their game looks absolutely stupid to anyone else except for people who play it and like it.
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See what I did there? :wgrin: That statement you just made is weak as hell.
This game also has fans that don’t compete in tournaments, or simply enjoy watching high level players go at it.
That statement you made can easily be applied to the TvC crowd, so I’m just going to drop it and address the other things you brought up.
If anything, it’s Smash Bros Melee syndrome where the viability of the actual game comes completely from accident.
I really hope you’re not talking about wave dashing here. The developers knew about it, and left it in. It was the players who pushed the envelope and developed the meta game to its fullest.
Lol at all the idiots trying to label TvC as having overly simplified controls when the design is basically just streamlined. Nothing is lost in the transition. You’re acting as if the control scheme actually impediments you, which it doesn’t. And if you find that the game is impedimenting you because of the control scheme, then boy you must suck, because a bunch of ‘scrubs’ have absolutely no problem doing all sorts of really cool shit with these controls.
If you’re going to call all of us idiots, don’t type up paragraphs with made up or misspelled words. My issue with less normals is this: There are less ways to attack your opponent, and create combos with. This is the most simplistic control scheme I’ve ever witnessed. Doing “cool shit” doesn’t really take a lot of practice at all, because there isn’t as much to draw from.
I’m willing to bet Storm, Sentinel, Iron Man and Magneto alone have more combos than the entire TvC cast.
You seemed to leapfrog the part about getting raped in your own game by a top player who doesn’t like or practice TvC at all. TvC top players got scraped in their own game by someone who doesn’t even practice. Why did this happen? I think it’s because this game is so “easy to get into for new fighting game players” that someone with very solid fundamentals can take on and even destroy people who have been playing this game religiously since CGoH was released.
That should NEVER happen.
You can say the TvC cast is balanced if the same characters don’t end up placing top 3 at all tournaments. Otherwise, it’s just like Marvel, no?
Lastly, there are more than 6 viable teams in Marvel. Don’t try to act like you know what your talking about when you clearly don’t.
*And Marvel has survived this long NOT JUST because it’s a deep game, but also because it’s userbase is filled with fantards who don’t want to let it go. And omg marvel characters! AMERICA!
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Here you just sound angry, or frustrated. Again, this statement can easily be applied to TvC.
This is really funny to me because I play Marvel, and have been since 2000 or so (not that I’m any good, but I understand the game). I use Cable/Sent/Ken.
At any rate, when I made that post I was thinking mainly of Baroque (because of its versatility) and Variable Air raid and how cool that stuff would be if it were implemented in another game.
The verdict is still up in the air concerning mega crash; I personally think that it should have cost more than just 2 bars. But you can at least see that the developers needed a way to stop potential infinites (although they failed miserably in CGoH, see all of the OTG infs in that game) that still carried some kind of risk/reward factor to it. It’s tough to balance that. Where do you draw the line between saying, “well, there will be infinites, and if the player gets caught in one, its his fault, deal” and “combo breaker is a complete get out of jail free card” ?
Well, MVC2 is a “glitch ridden” title, but I agree that has no bearings on winning/losing. What does though is the severe lack of proper checks and balances.
Gief can’t chain most of his normals, and the only long range attack he has is Yoga Flame in Armor mode. There’s no way he’s gonna take down a decent Sentinel player 1 on 1, no matter how much more health he’s got. He clearly isn’t designed to fight a character that can keep away like that. Same goes for Cable, Storm, Mag, and many others that aren’t even top tier. And he’s not the only one. I would go down the list but it’s kinda long. As good players, you can get close to winning, but in the end, certain teams just aren’t able to fight againsy others, which bugs me cause I hate being forced to counterpick just so I can win.
I don’t want to argue about how balanced MVC2 is. Show me a video about how Gief deals with MSP effectively, and I’ll take your word for it.