i don’t really understand why it’s an issue for a community to deviate from developer intent? the argument “smash wasn’t meant to be a fighting game so just play something that is”…i guess that makes sense but if smash can be developed by the community into something that’s actually deep then there shouldn’t be an issue with them playing that game, right? i would go so far as to say that the game w/out items, even tho it may be less deep in the sense that there’s less options, deserves respect in its own right (particularly melee).
if smash truly was one dimensional then the metagame would not evolve, which is pretty untrue considering melee has evolved immensely just in the past two years alone despite being considered a “dead” game
also by and large smash tourneygoers are chill for both melee and brawl.
Point taken, however, the way that people behave on the website is the first impression that a person has when they want to join a new community, and seeing how this website will be where most people would have their first exposure to the Street Fighter community, why would they want to become a part of this when all they see is a bunch of people how go around and bash the smash community. After I attended CEO in Orlando (a Smash/Street Fighter event that was hosted by Hungrybox, Plank, and Alex Jebailey), I sort of began to see the SF community as being a little more welcoming, but then seeing all of the shit that has been flung around this site with regards to Smash is still extremely off putting.
SWF is retarded as hell, but I am 100% positive that if I meet a real smash player, they won’t be 1/1decimillionth of the idiot that a smash boarder would be.
Yea, I was kinda reaching there to be honest. But then, I have to ask; why is it okay to enjoy Kouryu/Smash comp rules casually, but not in a tournament setting? Obviously Kouryu is alright in a casual setting, I’ve seen topics here in FGD for it and there’s even a room for it on either GGPO or 2DF.
Sounds like the smash players you’ve met or heard of are pretty close minded. I wouldn’t classify myself as a smash player or a fighting gamer or anything; I personally play anything I want, and that includes Smash, SFIV, JoJos, Blazblue, KOF (Love KOF), Marvel…I mean, I suck at every single one of them, but I like to play them. Of course, I just love the competitive gaming culture in general, especially fighting games. But that’s another story for another day.
Sounds like you guys just came across a bunch of inconsiderate douchebag players. It IS a game based around Nintendo characters after all, not gonna bash the characters because we all grew up with and enjoy them (I hope?) but they do draw in children and basement dwellers who never learned how to interact with other people. I mean, I’m a fucking hermit myself, and I’m not the best person in the world, but the people you’re describing (Hecatom especially) must have been those types of people, and you’re right to call them immature children because they are. Still, you shouldn’t overgeneralize the community because of a few sad sacks, that’d be like if I hated all fighting game players because a guy and his friends at the arcade threatened to beat the shit out of me if I threw him one more time in Street Fighter.
In this scenario I am an isolated incident; most people in the smash community haven’t had the opportunity to interact with the community, therefore their experience with the community would be the assholes on this site. In the same sense, the majority of this community likely hasn’t had the opportunity to interact with the real smash community, however that doesn’t stop them from constantly badmouthing the smash community based on some stupid forum post on Smashboards. What I’m trying to get at is that the reason that most Smashers don’t want to pick up other fighters is because of the dickish nature of the people on this site. Furthermore, that seems to be one of the big problems that people in this thread seem to have with smashers, so it ends up being this self-fulfilling cycle of SRK badmouthing smash, smashers being put off from picking up other fighters, SRK saying that smashers are completely ignorant of other fighters, and so on ad infinitum.
I can link you to over TEN examples of people having bad experiences with some people from the actual communitgy, so some of thier hate is justified, others just roll with it.
People don’t play other games because of us? Some have said themselves that they don’t play fighting games because they don’t like them. This of cause is becuase most of the time smash is their first and only fighter. I highly doubt that a couple of nobodies on SRK would keep people from enjoying a game, unless they are really that naive.
Looks like this thread has already devolved into that timeless Smash hating discussion, so I’ll throw in a jab…at some SRK people.
I always see people bash on smash players for not playing other games, and that just seems like such a superfluous reason to dislike someone. I really don’t see why anyone should play another game they aren’t interested in to appease some SF players. I don’t really have a great opinion of smash players myself, but I’m not really on the hunt to find reasons to dislike them, especially over something as petty as them not wanting to play the game I like.
Its not that, I dont care if they play the games, Its how they are towards OTHER GAMES, Usually SF players understand and play other games and are seemingly open minded but most experience with smash players is with a group of closed minded Pricks.
For me, it’s not the fact that they don’t want to play other games, it’s the fact that they play it in such a stagnant manner. It takes the fun away, even for melee. With practice, I could probably make fox fart across the stage as well as any decent competitive player, but I don’t care for putting so much time and effort into moving around(at least not in this game), nor am I trying to grind my GC controller away like an eraser, especially since they don’t make them anymore. Just give me some item to use and I’ll take my win like any other casual player.
stagnant just in the sense of less stages/less happening on the screen, right? not attacking you just want to understand what you mean by stagnant
if you’re describing the metagame as stagnant then i would have to disagree, melee metagame has changed drastically in the past six months alone
also for ppl describing smash community as close-minded idiots
afaik most players who actually understand what SF is don’t actually bash it lol…those who don’t understand anything babble on as usual
it’s pretty much the same way on SRK as far as i’ve lurked, people like to hate on the game of smash for reasons that don’t really have to do with its mechanics
w/ regards to the community banning items:
ppl are right when they say “you should chip away from what you have” rather than "start from nothing, include what you want"
the debate w/ items is moreso "how much random, is too random?"
adaptability certainly INCLUDES adapting to circumstances that come your way but i dunno, items don’t have set spawn positions/zones + there’s no way to accurately try to predict what item appears. you can say “man up”, but it’s pretty hard to accept that when you have the option just to remove items
is that making smash into anything less than it is? smash is whatever you want it to be but if your definition of what you want it to be is including as many elements as possible, then sure
does that make smash any less deep? in terms of competitive options, yes since there are some legitimate items
is smash now made shallow to the point where it’s a joke to play competitively? of course not
the community by and large doesn’t have a true understanding of why we ban items…i’m pretty sure the argument i’ve presented is why we don’t use items
though another reason is probably because they’re not competitive. Items in Melee were tested to be noncompetitive in tournament - i.e. produced inconsistent tournament results. Items in Brawl, based on private testing, had the same properties by and large and the mechanics of the game didn’t change enough to the point where tourney results were going to become any more consistent, so they just decided to forgo the whole tournament testing process. Is that legitimate? I think that’s a matter of debate, but obviously SRK/EVO decided “no” so here we are
though right now i have to say that i think the community is full of scrubs who can’t deal with stage hazards
Wow this is terrible.
MY local smash community (R.I.P) were overall nice people. They just didn’t care about non-smash games. That’s why when brawl killed the franchise, it killed the community (they preferred to play nothing rather than playing a different game)
Not liking something after trying it isn’t a problem. Not willing to try anything, is. (Again, not just a problem smash players)
Yea, pretty much. It’s not how they play the characters, it’s how they play the game.
Couple of weeks ago some friends and I were playing a hardcore Melee player in a couple of matches. Dude was doing all kind of stuff deemed as high level, and my character didn’t have an answer for any of it cause I don’t play at that level. in a situation like that, I would of like to of had a beam sword or something to shut down his offense and even the odds. I didn’t care for proving who was the better smasher, I just wanted to win the match with whatever options the game has available to me.
I know what you mean… I feel like the Melee mechanics are very ONE sided when it comes to A pro vs Casual. I mean MELEE has the option to at least make it Fun and Less focused on tech skill and more adaptation.
I believe I posted on that thread when it was up last year. Believe me, there was a lengthy discussion between the OP and another person. Said other person called the OP on every inaccuracy. Very entertaining.
As for why they make think Smash is more deep (not saying it is or isn’t), I think it has to do with the general perception of fighting games. I remember before learning the strategic elements in any fighting game, I just button mashed doing cool moves and I hoped I won. I don’t know what it is about fighters, but I’ve seen from experience other people doing this.
This is the kind of mentality that got us Brawl. Besides, you don’t know if that Melee player could still beat you with items on. The way I see it, if you don’t want to play with certain settings on, that’s your thing. I don’t care if someone plays with items on FFA or prefers mostly neutral stages one on one (this is my preference), just don’t bash different play settings.
Yeah, see you understand. I know if I had gotten SSF4 before SF4 and knew that in the previous entry it gave you a movie theatre and a concept artwork gallery that you didn’t have to pay extra for, but you do in this game, I’d been quite upset.