God fucking damn niggas is spittin the motherfuckin truth in this thread.
Street Fighter follows Malcolm X’s philosophy.
By any means necessary.
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This is what I do all day.
You watch the Justin Wong Vs. Daigo clip?
(Begin “Has-Been-Solder-Of-Fortune-Turned-Karate-Expert” mode)
We do not train to be merciful here! Mercy is for the weak! A man face you? He is your enemy!!! Remember the rules of the Cobra-Kai!
#1: A man can’t see, a man can’t fight!
#2: A man can’t breathe, a man can’t fight!
#3: A man can’t stand, a man can’t fight!
Now, SWEEP THE LEG!!!
(End John Kreese Cobra-Kai mode)
Wow…somebody needs to dig up the old Cobra Kai Street Fighter thread from the alt.games.sf2 days. After reading, you too can become…wait for it…the best…around. 
Humor and nostalgia all at once. 
allllllllll day.
You, sir, are the winner of the FOREVER!
Albedo, just because you don’t see people not doing the coolest technical shit that blows your mind, doesn’t mean they aren’t good players or can’t do insane combos.
Even if someone can’t do insane combos, but can out think you, they are the better player.
Flashy style != good
If you played to your potential, you’d have even more fun than you are now. But you’re boxing yourself in. Let yourself out and find out how much more fun it is to play with no rules.
“Using no way as way, and having no limitation as limitation.” - Bruce Lee… he knows what he’s talking about, he’s the motherfucking master!
If you know exactly what they’re going to do and you still can’t beat them, you’re an idiot. I’d rather be cheap than an idiot.
Or turtle yourself, let the time run out, and nobody has any fun at all. Awesome.
To be honest, “playing to win” can be boring as fuck sometimes. Most fighting games turn into a boring shit-fest at high level play anyhow IMO. Spamming uber safe moves, doing the same shit over and over, taking no risks at all, picking the characters that take the least amount of brain-power and execution, etc. For a tournament, sure, whatever it takes… but for a casual pickup game with some noobs online?
If you want to be an uber-leet tournament winner, then great, good for you. I know this is SRK and people want to lick every top player’s balls and would do anything to be like them so this will probably fall on deaf ears… but this “win at all costs no matter what or how” is not for everyone. There are some of us out there that just want to play some games, do a few combos, pick a bunch of characters, etc.
Mind you, I throw, I’ll use whoever, etc. But if you want to win that hard that you’ll counter pick EVERY TIME, take zero risks, and are worried more about your own lifebar than draining mine… I’ll let you win. If you want it that bad man, here, take it. I don’t care. I don’t really play to win so what does it matter to me? I’ll play, but if it gets boring, I’ll stop. Is there really anything wrong with that? Call me a ‘scrub’ or whatever, but ultimately, it’s about what is “fun”. I’m not going to be a world tourney winner, I don’t want to be one, so I couldn’t be bothered to torture myself sometimes against all the dumb shit that exits in some of these games… especially if the other guys is doing nothing but.
No rules? What about banned characters? What about certain other banned tactics? If you are “playing to win” shouldn’t you use these tactics? Forgive me if this doesn’t seem VERY contradictory. Hell, dropping connection to protect your loss record is a legit strategy if you’re “playing to win” and want to keep your standing. No honor, any means necessary right? Scream at your opponent in an attempt to upset them emotionally… playing to win?
Here’s something that will probably drive you all crazy :
I once walked out of a local 3rd Strike tourney final, because my opponent was just running away with Chun Li. I just couldn’t be bothered to chase him down. “wow, this is no fun at all” so I left. I think the game sucks anyways.
Except that won’t happen. No one who is playing to win wants a draw, and no expert player will concede that there’s no way for them to hurt their opponent if they are turtling regardless of the matchup. They will poke and probe until someone lands a hit and then that person, if that is their strategy will then turtle in earnest.
At this point the other player must break the turtle and either take the health advantage so they can turtle themselves if they want to, or exploit other weaknessess in order to finish the opponent.
Only one player can really turtle, and that’s whoever is ahead in health.
If my opponent is turtling and I am ahead, I will simply let them play their fools game and allow the clock to award my W. But more likely, they will realize this will happen, and there will be a desperate and interesting game as the player who is behind tries to recapture the lead. Or, if the edge is small, there may be a staring and poking contest until there are seconds left at which point someone will break the stalemate and start a very interesting and tense “final skirmish”.
Nothing boring about that to me.
How would this attitude translate to playing chess? IMO street fighter should be no different. Why should someone delibrately make a bad decision just because it would please their opponent?
What “banned tactics”? There are no banned tactics in SFII tournies. Akuma has been banned at various tournaments, but no tactics, stratagies or setups are banned. If you can choose a character, you can use everything they got.
So there is no contradiction, because there is no banned tactics.
This of course doesn’t count exploiting harmful bugs and glitches such as guiles handcuffs, or being able to lock or reset the machine.
This follows under the same common-sense understanding that it would be cheating (as well as assault) to punch your opponent IRL in order to win in the game.
Even banning akuma represents no contradiction because he was never meant to be a balanced character. He was an “easter egg” a playable boss, but not in the same sense as dictator. He was toned down a little, but never fully balanced.
“Soft-bans” of other characters like claw tended to happen in japan where many players felt the game would be more balanced without them. But even there, there was insufficient reason to actually ban him in the tournament rules. Hence the term “soft ban”.
It’s like chess again. If it happens ‘on the board’ it’s all good. But reaching across the board and tweaking one’s opponents nose is immediatly understood as a breach. Now the rules of a board game, since they are implemented by people, referrees etc. can address anything, including ‘off the board’ behavior. But once it’s a computer game, the system cannot regulate such things in it’s coded rules. The community must.
Just because it’s a chess server, doesn’t mean it’s ok to send blackmail letters to your opponent in order to win.
Same with SFII, the game’s code doesn’t regulate out-of-game conduct, but any idiot can recognise that that is cheating. There is no slippery slope to doing everything **within the confines of the game **to win and other out-of game nonesense.
And it is clear that dropping for rank is not a legitamate tactic in the online chess world as most servers have rules to prevent this. And it is implicitly understood that trying to manipluate one’s rating through dropping to the maximum allowed in the server scoring/rating system would still be against the spirit of the rules and not respected.
Well it’s the same for remix. Droppers are awarded a loss so it is clear that the intention is to discourage such behavior.
If it drops before the match even starts, do they still penalize? i don’t care about my rating, but if I have more losses than necessary it may still make me look bad in front of the people I play with.
I remember these days also. We were all young and stupid back then imo. I’ve gotten into fist fight’s over throwing people back in the day. I was called a scrub, cheap bastard, and personal attacks lead to a fight most of the time. I stop throwing when some people started to get shot in the head for being cheap. People were dying in the ATL for being cheap so I stop playing sf.
Fuck dying over some dumbshit because some people are so weak and wack that they have to shoot someone because they lost. I came back after college and those weak minded people with GUNs wasn’t playing SF anymore.
The basic’s of sf is the same imo. If someone blocks to fucking much or to fucking well then YOU THROW THAT ASS TO DEATH! I bet you think fb/dp traps are cool though? Some people might think that was cheap.:rolleyes: Anything can be called CHeap if you don’t know how to deal with it imo. Cheap is a cop-out imo. Unless the character is broken there is nothing that is cheap about how someone choose to play that character. If they want to fb/dp trap you to death then figure away out of it. If they want to throw you to death figure away out of it.
Don’t sit here and complain about how you lost to someone that so called “CHEAPED YOU OUT”! Did they magic throw you? Or handcuff you? If not then you just got beat and you don’t know how to take losing to something over, and over, and over again. You should be mad at yourself for losing to the same shit over and over again instead of calling people cheap.
Learn how to beat/counter the bs that someone was doing to you or stop playing this game.
With that attitude you have about fighters and the way people are SUPPOSE to play fighting games you might want to quit playing fighting games sir. I’m not talking shit to you sir. This is just a reality check for you. If you think a scrub equals to a player that pokes, does random things to throw you off and throws alot is a scrub then you don’t know what a scrub is imo. A person with a good understanding of the footies game and the throw game isn’t a scrub imo, but to each it’s own.:rolleyes: If you have a ps3 don’t add me to your list or play against me because i’m one of those throwing/poking/random scrubs you talked about.:rolleyes::wgrin:
P.S.- If you are a casual player then I understand why anyone would think like you. I understand if that is the case. Most casual players don’t care about the whole "WIN AT ALL COST" mind set. They just want to play and have fun at playing sf and playing those type of players isn’t fun to a casual player. I understand that part of the arguement. I just don’t agree with someone calling people scrubs due to them losing to dumb shit they could never stop in 18 years of playing sf! Playing turtle man to end of clock/timer matches suck for casual sf guy. Playing tick throwing guy sucks for casual guy also.
I don’t know whatelse to tell you casual guy. It pretty much sucks for you if you play against ***win at all cost guy! ***
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I’m a scrub. I throw loop all day if it works, I don’t care! If they don’t like it they can leave the room I’m playing in. There are people who can stop throw loops and I’d rather play them than someone who jumps away and randomly does hurricane kicks all day. Sorry!
Winning is winning! If I’m in a room with 5 other people (me being #6) I would much rather throw and win and keep dominating than lose and have to wait forever for my turn again.
I got the joke and tried to turn it into another based off of another post. I wasn’t trying to get at you or anything lol.
If the person can’t escape from whatever you’re doing, then you’re doing the right thing. If they bitch, tell them they suck. I don’t even tick throw that often and still get complaints when I do (even when it is painfully obvious that I would’ve won without it).
I’mma Scrub, I like to get my ass beat. Tells me I have to work harder to get better.
Then you’re not a scrub. Scrubs are the people who whine about losing.