Ok people, hands down if KOF ran on say a 3rd strike engine, with some fine tuning…Capcom would have a real issue…especially if they dropped it now since capcom hasn’t brought anything good out fighting wise since 3rd strike. That’s why i’m waiting to see this new Colusseum battle and see how it turns out. Plus capcom can definately learn a thing or two from SNK…they have a shit load of characters and they tend to mix it up…popular with some old school plus new…not the same ole same ole. And get this straight before anyone attacks my credentials…I’ve been down with Capcom since SF1.
Hey hiedern would kick Guiles ass
yeah people play tons of kof here in mexico there is an arcade cabinet at every corner street and i am not exagerating this is true so there is always somewhere to go for competition, but not all of them are good, only in some areas the good players hang around and thats where the fun is at.
one sad thing though since people are poor here, they cant afford to go to trips like evolutions and stuff, also bootlegs are too common here in mexico. :tdown:
HanzO I agree with on your post on page 4 of this thread and by the way the guy who quoted me if you PLAYED FATAL FURY 1 it says King of Fighters on the subtitle in the bottom don’t you get it. I’m saying FATAL FURY WAS THE ORGINAL KOF. Then they called it it’s own title instead of making ff3 a kof tournament or garou. So if you want to know about the shit go to here http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt and read the fucken shit it will explain what i’m tryin to say.
Well, it’s not that Capcom had captured 100% of the US market when it came to fighting games, but they pretty much set a certain standard for it, and pretty much established a brand equity status when it came to fighting games. They were able to hold onto that brand equity status because KoF simply failed in trying to get enough of the US fanbase to use their product and deter them away from playing SF. Many who chose to play KoF at the arcade still played SF anyway (because they’re used to it), so Capcom didn’t lose those fans to their competitor.
Like I mentioned before, there are a number of reasons, and something I didn’t mention before which was a big deal was home accessibility, which is what SF had over KoF EASILY. Everyone knows about the expensive hardware at the time, and no one could afford it. Then all the piracy and everything and it become a big mess. Personally, I think being too high tech with their hardware, unable to be accessable to most fans who played on their SNES at the time was a killer. Their competitor was not only Capcom, but Nintendo as well.
Thus, with tech being a lil too high, but not being cost-effective, and innovative enough to deter fans away from their competitors… all those factors combined with the brand equity status of SF is what led to much less exposure.
No matter how new their stuff was, the innovation is more costly. For Capcom to make CE, that cost them a quarter to make the bosses playable, and the fans ate it up. To make HF, enable an air hurricane kick… that cost them another quarter, fans ate it up. I don’t know what costs SNK had to incur to make a new KoF from year to year, but if they had to make lots of changes, it’s probably more costly on their higher tech system, but the new changes and stuff just wasn’t ENOUGH to get people to use their product enough to cover their costs nor stop them from playing SF.
There is obviously not a lot of love for Capcom, degenerating love for fighting games, degenerating love for arcades, and degenerating love for anything 2D these days… and when the love degenerates, only the former giants of the market are the ones who still get the little attention they still get because of their brand equity status they had from before. KoF does not have that in the US.
If say, all of a sudden there is degenerating love for the burger industry… people will still eat McDonald’s, but probably would less likely eat at the burger place around the corner.
I think also what played a major factor too was…i could buy sf on snes and play…most cats back then could’nt afford a neo geo and play those games at home. So cats were forced to play in the arcade instead of going home practice and come to the arcade with some skillz…for the majority of people not that select few that could dominate regardless. :karate:
KOF is really nice and now they start to use a better engine, it can only improve.
Capcom lost a lot of good staffs, credibility, and has become the Microsoft or AOL version of games. Everything is just getting worse, and I don’t see how nor when this company will finally release something worth playing. So far, all they can come up with is a combination of previous games. So you have CvS2 which is just a combination of most SF games with a zest of SNK. And now CFE. Nothing is really original and impressive, but it is expected to make some money thanks to a huge mindless Capcom fans.
I wonder if CFE is popular even in Japan.
hanz0 shut the fuck up. I think the reason why mexico and any other 3rd world countries have more KOF play is because of the cheap board. I doubt that isn’t going to change since KOF has gone atomiswave. I haven’t seen a KOF neowave board at all which is odd since our arcade usually gets KOF the 1st week they release it.
Also Korea is starting to get better at 3rd Strike. I heard that Korean arcade companies recently managed to get 3rd strike boards though.
NeoWave is everywhere over Mexico and most of South America already. So no, its not just because MVS was “cheap”.
hanzo, why the fuck do you feel the need to defend your precious KOF games in here? if you had one ounce of fucking reading comprehension, you’d see that noone in here is bashing kof, so why do you feel the need to go in here and defend your precious game? shut the fuck up already, the only fanboy here is you.
UnCauzi: We’ve tried to work with the fobs in NYC on multiple occasionsm they’ve proved again and again that they’re only interested in playing casual. That’s really strange…because the average kof fob isn’t a scrub, they actually know what they’re doing…it baffles me as to why they would not want to play KOF competively. We held a 2k2 tourney once, and beacuse we couldn’t get the word out to the fobs (we didn’t have anyone who could write in chinese for the flyers - aside from all that, the owner does not want to let us run tourneys unless he gets a absurd cut of the pot, fuck outta here,) only SRK’ers who happened to play KOF showed up, for a whopping 8 people, even though there were at least 15-20 fobs who play the game.
To everyone that thinks KOF would immediately do better cause of better graphics, I don’t think that’s true. A lot of people that play SF don’t like KOF because of the fact that there’s little to no footgame in it compared to SF…normals have no range and aren’t as useful, and antiairs in kof (generally) aren’t as good. Of course there’s alot of exceptions…and hilariously enough, some of the characters that have traditionally been top tier, or close to the top generally have some kind of strong footgame or dominating poke/antiair (Billy, both flavors of Yashiro, Daimon, etc) Of course this isn’t always the case with everyone (Choi/Chris just straight up rush you down, they don’t have too much in the way of “footsies”), but hopefully you can understand where I’m getting at.
CvS2 had SNK characters in it, while still retaining the SF feel of play which is so familiar to players in the USA, so even if they didn’t know who they were, they could pick them up over time because of the engine.
kane_warhead: Sounds like you’re right, seen that trailer for some Korean 3s tourney on combovideos? They have a lot of catching up to do imo, but it’s cool that they’re into the game now.
Time_Stop: Atomiswave boards, IIRC, aren’t as expensive as Naomi 1/2 / PS2 arcade boards right? Plus it’s KOF, it’s guaranteed to make money down there…
The KoF community is divided over the years. Whenever a group of KoF players get together to organize, they argue over which years they should include. 15 ppl like 98 and hate 03, 7 like 03 and hate 02, 1 person likes 94 and nothing else and another just likes Iori.
Also SNK just recently started making good non-AES console ports.
Eventually SNK will get in on the US scene. Switching to more up-to-date hardware and making that 3D fighter helped a bit.
That is funny because I was talking with some the people been assiting the tourney of 15 to 20 people that particped like 5 to 10 said they would go if EVO suported it or someone like
fireceslahs would suport it. Even so I understand that it sounds skecthy and that migth has well only 3 to maybe 4 would go. In the end is all about money not everybody has 600$ to expend for playing in a tourney.
Understood, money is a big factor for all of us. Yet people make the trip all the time. Granted it’s gotten a lot cheaper to fly between coasts in the U.S. And although I’m not positive how the japanese players get here, I’m sure it’s less of a dent expense wise than for a lot of south american people.
But still…the numbers just don’t add up. Depending on my frame of mind and how NGBC and the scene looks I may try again. But we’ll see.
UnCauzi: Don’t give up. I saw the Garou going down when I was at Evo and that’s inspired me to try to pick up the game, I’ll be entering next year.
Everyone who makes some sort of retarded Duo Lon/MvC2 comparison: Marvel isn’t dominated by one character. The only character that can infinite people to death is 6-8th best depending on who you ask.
Frankly, with the exception of Saotome Kaneda, Sabin and UnCauzi (and my magical fudge factor of two other useful posts that I’m not remembering) all the people defending SNK games come across as being fairly ignorant. I’m sorry, but SNK games just don’t seem to have the competitive community that frankly any other of the games at Evo have. KOF Neowave seems to be a solid game from what I’ve heard, my arcade has it on 50 cents while everything else is .25 so I haven’t looked at it much, but the cab w/ KOF2003 and Garou is permanently empty.
I haven’t given up bro, just backed it up priority-wise. With the recent breakup of our own dedicated Samsho community (probably the last of its kind) here in DE, I don’t really play SNK fighters anymore. We basically called it quits after OD thoroughly satisfied that we’ve driven Samsho into the ground. I’ve retreated back into the 3D realm (Tekken 5, VF FT) and I hardly even play those.
MADCOW is actually in decision mode right now as to whether he’s even going to renew fierceslash. We personally don’t really have the time to create new guides/movies and the people who were going to start working with us to build content died. (RIP Kao and Mums) I mean we’ll promote a tourney, we’ll pay for the webspace but eh frankly asides from that we’re not too hot anymore brudda.
Yeah I know 
that airplane tickets are been cheap now on days. Still u know some people that would think it be to damn expensive.
Anyway we are also hoping that with NGBC people will take more interest but that depends if they are plaing in bring it down here so far CFE is a no but T5 will arrive shortly
BTW I haved a crazy idea why not contact SNK Playmore and help founding a toruney (U know so they can get a big ass promotion) Oh well is a crazy idea.
Tried that, no response. Reason #2 why the captain is about to jump ship.
Unless Puerto Rico/S. America -> US > US$1600, none of them have a right to complain about travel. That’s what I spent on round trip to Cali, by way of NYC afterwards, then back to JPN. Not counting room and board.
Still doesn’t explain why I haven’t seen a KOF board here in my counrty since the KOF community is rather large here.
I agree with Sabin that KOF has little to no footsies. And characters that have one are considered top(Like Goro’s s.B and s. D). I still think rolls are a bad idea for a fighting game. Which is why some matches just generate to rolling all over the place.
If you people still remember KOFonline… that place has alot of tourney videos from Singapore. If you don’t have any idea how the game works, you would be awed by their performance… but if you did know how to play… those vids were horrible. Not clearly on the league of Korea and Japan.
That sucks… I was really eager to see SS5 on Xbox 'cause there’s no cabs for it around here…