Don’t know why there’s a huge Iron Man/Spidey debate. As far as I know, it’s obvious who is smarter, and I haven’t seen Spider-Man written as a super genius. Yes, he’s made a few inventions, but the majority of time isn’t spent doing scientific work.
Spider-Man was SMART enough to make the Spider-Armor. When I was a kid, I had that one issue of Web of Spider-Man with the holografix cover where he rocked it. Spider-Armor, baby! It was a gray/silver, armored version of Spider-Man’s suit!! And he made it himself!!!
Wait. Actually, I think that just shows that Tony Stark is the real genius.
But which toy sold more: the Stark-designed Spidey suit action figure or the silver armor Spidey action figure?
That’s right. Whatever Tony Stark built his fortune on, it wasn’t merchandising. As far as Toys R Us is concerned, Pete’s idea was way better.
You guys always forget that Peter always try to improvise his gadgets to beat his foes.
The only thing that makes Tony better is his access to multi-million dollar gadgets which Peter doesn’t have access too.
Exactly. To say that Tony is out of Peter’s league is crazy to me.
Carpet Lint: By your logic, Amadeus cho isn’t smart because he hasn’t invented anything on the level of Iron Man yet. We just accept his placement because Reed says it’s true.
FYI, in the latest issue of the Amazing Spider-Man (One More Day)… they listed Peter Parker as having an intelligence rating of 4 (gifted) in the profiles.
No encyclopedias, no bunky websites… straight from the latest comic book.
Sidenote: wizarduniverse.com held a poll on what fans thought was the worst Spider-man costume ever. I think the rankings ended up:
- Silver Spider-Armor
- scarlet spider
- red and gold spider-armor
- Ben Reilly Spider-man
- spider-man 2099
Iron Man’s silver armour looked pimp in the versus games - was it A1 that got it in MvC2?
All I’ve read about Amadeus Cho was the World War Hulk preview or whatever issue he was in. He hasn’t been around as much right? So it’s understandable if he doesn’t have much of a track record yet. At this point, the fact that super intelligence is his power and Reed Richard actually labels him as the seventh smartest guy in the world…that should be enough cred.
On the flip side, Peter Parker does not have super intelligence. He’s spent all this time and money in school, to get like a bachelors or a doctorate or whatever the heck he has in biochemistry or physics or whatever, which distinguishes him in no way to the millions of people with those degrees and more in REAL LIFE.
If he was so smart, how come he couldn’t graduate MIT at age 15 like Tony Stark, how come he couldn’t get multiple doctorates in chemistry, psychology, criminology, Batmanology or whatever like Bruce Wayne did in his teens? Charles Xavier graduated from Harvard with honours as a teenager. Lack of opportunity and money? Really? Peter’s never really been written as a guy that could do that even if he had the opportunity.
Regardless, even if he didn’t have the opportunity, we’re not talking potential - maybe Grant Hill or Antonio McDyess could have been a Hall of Famers if they didn’t wreck their legs, but they did, and they’re not in the discussion.
However…
Still in that one single issue I’ve read with Amadeus Cho, he managed to…
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Get SHIELD after him because he was just so smart.
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Hack into the Baxter Building’s security system with that little PSP looking thingy he had that probably built himself.
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Redirected a laser guided missile using a car’s side mirror.
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He put something in the soda he gave to She-Hulk that neutralized the Tony Stark created nanobots that were negating her powers.
And he’s a teenager! What the fuck, I’ve never seen Spidey do anything like that.
This is just silly - there’s absolutely no precedence or evidence regarding how smart Peter Parker is. You guys are saying that if he had Tony’s money and resources that he could build fifty thousand Iron Man armours that would be just as good as Tony’s?
Shut up with that. That’s also ignoring HOW Tony Stark got all that money and those resources in the first place - BECAUSE HE IS SMART
Peter Parker is on the run from the law and broke. What a super genius.
Peter Parker has webshooters and a top-selling Spidey Armour action figure. That is it. There’s nothing else to suggest he’s even smarter than the average university graduate. And you guys are saying he’s a top 10 brain in the Marvel universe?
Say what?
Bruce Banner, The Leader, The Mad Thinker, Mr. Sinister, Beast, Charles Xavier, Hank Pym, The Fixer, Norman Osborn, Curt Connors, Dr. Octopus, Black Panther…I mean that’s almost a dozen guys just off the top of my head that are smarter than Peter Parker, and that’s not even including Doom, Reed, Tony, or any of the twenty or so cosmic guys (ie. Thanos, Galactus), or even the normal non-powered scientific minds (ie. Moira MacTaggert, that Indian doctor from Astonishing X-Men, whatever AIM dude invented the Cosmic Cube).
Peter Parker is one of the most clever and maybe witty…but raw booksmarts…there’s just nothing extraordinary there.
I WIN THIS COMIC BOOK ARGUMENT
No, his dad gave it to him. Try again. Peter didn’t go to M.I.T. and shit because while tony was doing that, Peter Parker was SPIDERMAN. Tony’s fulltime job was student/inventor. Parker’s was saving people’s asses and building stuff out of his lunch money.
I’m not saying he’s top ten; I’m saying Stark isnt in a totally different league like people claim.
Are you kidding me? Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Dr. Doom weren’t doing that when they were teenagers. Just because Amadeus Cho was able to do those, doesn’t mean anything. Peter Parker was a fulltime superhero and he wable to beat alot of people. He beat Kingpin, Norman Osborn and etc. while he was still a teenager. Amadeus needs Hulk to do his thing… Peter could do it solo and doesn’t need help from anyone.
correct me if im wrong cause i’m going by wiki.
isn’t amadeus cho only super-smart because of a superpower? peters smart because dude tried hard.
like amadeus can do these insane calculations because its a power he has.
So beating people up with your fists is what it takes to be recognized as one of the smartest people in a comic book universe? We’re back to that again? Come on. We’ve already analyzed this argument from every possible angle.
You’re giving way too much credit for Spidey’s inventions. Spider-tracers? Okay, fine. Rubber boots to fight Electro? I’ll give him that. But Spider-Armor? How about the Spider-Mobile? Remember that? Obviously, there have been people who’ve written Spider-Man comics over the years who had a sense of humor. (Or possibly a lack of one - which would be very disturbing and possibly traumatize me for life if this were the case.)
Shit like the Spider-Mobile is there to bring a smile to your face and make you laugh. It doesn’t mean Spider-Man is actually smart enough to invent a brand new car built out of Hostess Twinkies and that can drive on walls. If you took that seriously, as an example of Peter Parker’s genius, then I have nothing more to say, except perhaps, “Either I win or you lose. Choose quickly.”
Don’t you quote my sig on me!
Just because the guy tries hard… doesn’t put him in the top 10 smartest people in the marvel universe. Whenever there is a threat of planet threatening proportions… they don’t turn to Spider-Man. They turn to Tony Stark, Reed Richards, etc.
Spider-man is smarter then say, Captain America, or Wolverine, or Daredevil even… but to put him on the same level as Tony/Reed/Pym/McCoy/Xavier level is laughable. There’s a difference between gifted, and super-genius.
i was just asking about the power cause it seems to kinda downplay amadeus.
Pft, yeah, whatever - Tony Stark has lost and rebuilt his company so many times it’s just silly.
I vaguely remember reading about how once his parents died in the car accident and he inherited all the money, he went and took over the company that produced those cars. LOL, cold blooded.
I want to take over a company, rename it Everyone Who Works Here Is A Bitch Incorporated, and then just lay everyone off.
I think that if you took away all the different variations of the armour and just told him to rebuild everything himself, he could do it. He personally invents like 95% of it all, and the other 5% he’s at least learned up about it all anyway.
Did Tony Stark and Dr. Doom build a time machine out of Medieval Age supplies when they traveled back into King Arthur’s timeline? …or was that like an Elseworlds? …that sounds pretty ridiculous, actually. Comic books are retarded.
See, I don’t even know what this means.
Like Mr. Fantastic has beat Galactus and Iron Man’s beat Kang…so what does that mean? Ben Grimm and Wonderman have beat Galactus and Kang as well - does that mean they’re smart too? And those are on top of having solo superhero careers, being part of teams, having legitimate money making careers to look after, and personal lives as well. Reed Richards and all those guys are celebrities, remember, and are prominently involved in high brow social gatherings, charities, and all that - same with Tony Stark except he spends a lot of time living the sexually irresponsible playboy lifestyle as well.
They have even less time than Peter Parker and have still accomplished more.
What was Peter doing as a teenager? Getting beat up in high school everyday. What was Dr. Doom doing as a teenager? Becoming an accomplished sorcerer, earning a scholarship for a school on the opposite side of the world, and TAKING OVER LATVERIA in his spare time. Fuck Queens, dude was a GYPSY! Motherfucker was sleeping in a tent and running water was unheard of!
All those guys had like doctorates by like age 15 - Peter Parker wasn’t even smart enough to get a full scholarship when he got into university at the normal age everyone else gets into university at.
Was anyone else a high school honours student and graduated university? Congratulations, you’re just about as smart as Spider-Man.
I just don’t understand all the talk about “oh, he was poor” - if he was smart, he couldn’t he have like…not been poor? If he was so smart, wouldn’t he have been able to spend less time studying then? If you’re smart, you figure out how to make time.
Remember when Ezekiel came around, and he was the head of a billion dollar company? He asked Spidey why he didn’t use the advantages the spider had given him to make something of his life, and his answer was basically “Uh…I didn’t you could do that.”
Spider-Man’s got a good science background and picks things up very quickly…but genius he ain’t.
wtf? YOUR MOMMA AIN’T A GENIUS. WHAT NOW, BITCH?
I’m saying that at that age, Peter Parker was already deep in the the super-hero business that he can’t juggle between his school work, personal life, freelance work and super hero work.
If you look at it this way, Reed stopped being a super genius when he became a superhero. Oh comeon for all its worth, he can’t even convert Ben Grimm back to his human form. It’s a big plothole, every guy who became a super hero stop being a genius.
And Mind you, Peter’s web fluid formula is unique. No one has been able to duplicate it yet. I’m not saying that Peter can hang around Doom, but he’s up there. maybe top 15 or 20.
Anyone remember Mad Thinker? I think he’s 3rd smartest person in Marvel Comics.
That’s not true. He’s as much a super genius now as he ever was. The FF are a family first, then a team of IMAGINAUTS, and THEN a team of superheroes. Maybe that indisputable fact isn’t in your fancy schmancy wikis, guidebooks, encyclopedias, and handbooks.
How does the FF make their money to support their ridiculously fancy skyscraper headquarters? No, it’s not by bounty hunting. Reed makes bank off patents for new inventions every day.
Reed once made a PDA that “downloads via subspace transmission to a neighboring dimension of pure electrochemical energy” with infinite storage capacity. Sony paid him three million bucks to NOT market it. And that’s a device Reed makes just so he can use to jot down his better ideas.
He comes up with a bajillion new inventions and ideas every day.
Reed’s also a member of “Cause Cerebral,” the Marvel steroid version of MENSA. He’s been a member since he was seventeen years old. Peter Parker isn’t even in MENSA. How can he be in the top 30 smartest people in the Marvel Universe?
And about not being able to help Ben Grimm return to normal - it’s proven fact that Ben is okay being the Thing. For all his complaining and all of the “This Man… This MONSTER!!” moments, Ben has had at least two chances to remain a normal human. And he chose not, because he’d rather be an IMAGINAUT, BABY. Even when Reed did figure out a way to help Ben return to normal, Ben declined it.
People like Reed and Tony are applied geniuses. The things they invent affect the world. All Spider-Man has is a line of action figures, and he isn’t even smart enough to figure out how to collect the royalties from those.
Anyone remember the comic where Richard and Mary Parker were Agents of SHIELD and teamed up with Wolverine?
I find it amusing that your reply isn’t as verbose as it usually is and that the irony is lost enough on you that on a Friday night you project your sexual frustrations by bringing up as a counter-argument somebody else’s life as a distraction to your inadequacy.
…but speaking of projection…
So this is why you keep on insisting that Parker failed to achieve his full potential because “The Man” denied him of those opportunities?
I’m not hoping for anything. Tony fought the SHIELD many times before and his decision in Civil War is totally in character because this is the 3rd major time he had problems with SHIELD. But because he’s a smart and effective character, he decided that this time he should take some control of SHIELD before they get the best of him again.
I’m nowhere near disgruntled. I’m not the one projecting myself and my worldview on a character that is absent in their continuity.