yep. that works too, except you have to do it as they explode, you can tjust do it any old time you want.
pretty hard in an actual match since most times they are either in your face or throwing multiple tears/assists/ bikes at you.
Funny thing is that when i said reflect… I MEANT armor…but was thinking of other shit as well so i just let the reflect stand. The only use ive seen for reflect is the second phase of argus…as if any good peacock wont have an item charged to make it much harder… Still, reflect basically being a free in at full screen and near guaranteed punish at less than half is good as it keeps peacock from just sniping bella to hell with like shitloads of blocked argus’s.
Anywho Its more than painwheel has against a blocked argus at fullscreen, whxih is basically nothing or dhc to double fora 2 meter low damage punish… But at least an in, which is probably worth the meter cause one peacock is forced to block something and misses a push or. Pushes and still gets assist blockstunned… She basically dies.
-dime
man oh man! lol. well we got some good reflect discussion from it regardless ha ha
I have only tried using reflect when someone was trying to chip me out or Ms.Fortune’s head.
Like reflect head mid screen cancel into DD.
I have a few tick throws and psuedo tick throws out of Reflect.
Like Titan Knuckle>Reflect>360.
Super jump before the second phase and fly. If she had item charging, meh. Or you can be cheap and dash -> block and alpha counter into Hornet Bomber.
I don’t actually think I ever knew this.
I think stun status needs the joystick icon like in GG. I doubt many players know that they can shake out of them.
Why can one do it anyways…?
yea i kind of think being able to shake out of it is kinda dumb tbh. and yea it seems not many people know about it either.
certain characters you almost never see stagger from them. does filia/val/double/peacock/painwheel/parasoul actually have moves that create stagger in the first place?
i think bella is the main offender tbh.
Double has the air special (teacup) that staggers on hit, Painwheel has L Stinger stagger which can’t be shaken out of. Being able to shake out of stagger/stun has been in fighters for a long time.
The original intention of having a stun not simply take X seconds (instead of X+5 seconds, and being able to shake off the last 5) was to not have people let go of their controller / in general get bored because eg in sf2 you get stunned in about every match, killing the gameflow*.
That hardly applies to this game, given how scarce stagger-applications are; it’s a senseless relic of the past. Implementing it for no reason besides “other fighters have it, too” seems out of place.
*Before someone kills me for this: I have no idea whether that was the actual reasoning. I just don’t see any other possible explanation for implementing it in the first place.
Well, you can always pm Mike and ask about it; I’m sure there’s a good reason for it. An indicator would still be a good idea, imo.
I asked about it a long time ago. What I was told is that it was a… what did he call it… I don’t remember atm, but he basically said it was done as a preventive measure, in case someone comes up with something broke, the ability to shake stun helps to prevent that. However… tbqh… imo… and I love this game, and it hurts me to say this, but it’s the single stupid thing the team has done. Like was said, Cere Double and PW are the only ones who can do it, and PW (aparently, cause I dont play her) cant be shaken anyway. It’s an umnecesary tax on Bella’s combos, leaving her with only two buttons after PH, crippled options after whats designed to give much needed relief from projectiles (after its difficult enough for her to land anyways), and s.mp just makes me mad as her only stagger alternative, taking away options she has by gobbling up both her mp and one of her restands (she has so few) for minimal gain and minimal cool factor.
… Sigh. Rants. On a phone.
I always knew about it, I thought it was common knowledge by now.
I’m going to see if I can record stuff later today of the patch USING LOW TECH IPAD CAPABILITITEIS
i dont think PWs charged projectile thing is really stagger though, just it gives an extended amount of hitstun, similar to vals green vials(it doesnt have the same animation as stagger does i dont think). why it was decided that wouldnt be mashable and yet other moves are though is anyones guess.
having people dizzy out of combos makes sense to avoid broken loops/infinites etc, but to make it mashable from single moves is kinda weird. theres not gonna be any broken strategies come out from the use of stagger in this game since you can only do it once per combo and it carries over when DHCing as well.
Is it just me, or has anybody else noticed that Bella’s st.mp looks a lot like Alex’s elbow from 3s without the stagger?
it does actually now that you mention it.
dont say that outloud though cue people yelling “OMG skullgirls has nothing original to itself it copies every other FG”
OMG! EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE CHARACTER CONCEPTS, COMBO SYSTEM, INNOVATION, WILLINGNESS TO BREAK FROM ALL MALE CASTS, UNIQUE ASSIST SYSTEM, AND OVERALL GENERAL CREATIVITY HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF OF EVERYTHING EVER!
I’d like to point out that Every 2D Fighter Ever has ripped off of SF’s fireballs, dragon punches, and hurricane kicks since SF became popular in some way, somehow. It makes me so mad how unwilling people are to start with something new.
She has 3 staggers. Lp stinger isnt mashable… And shouldnt be… It doesnt really do anything with its lack of range besides, give pw the insane ability to put 100 percent thought into her reset mixups.
Her other staggers are hold hp, and hold c.hp for a crumple stun… The hp one is shakeable.
Being able to shake out of bellas reflector, pw hp, yet not pw lp stinger makes perfect sense.
At half screen bellas is near uncounterable, as it should be. At fullscreen it gets bella a free in and a mixup… Very strong for a move that takes no meter, thus being always available, and its a neutral game move… Lp stinger isnt used outside of combos and only stuns once.
If lp stinger went fullscreen ( lol ) you can bet it would be breakable.
-dime
I remember way back when I asked Mike about staggering and stagger icons and why theres “shake to reduce stagger.” Apparently in testing, people were attempting to shake out of stagger anyway. IMHO I’d rather it not be there ^^ but I’m not making the awesome gamez now am I ^^.