http://www.snk-capcom.com/?p=2857
I see a liberal mix of Akumas, Makotos, Yangs etc. in there. Also, considering the top ranks have gotten more diverse, not less over time, it would lead me to believe that as players are getting more skilled and experienced they are discovering that older thinking about the game’s balance was incorrect. The metagame has evolved dramatically in Starcraft over time, why wouldn’t it in 3s?
I don’t really think Kuroda bodying 11 SBO qualifying players in a row in best 2 of 3’s is a fluke (He OCV’d the first 3 teams and beat the first two characters of the last team that they eventually were eliminated by).
Additionally, unless you think Japanese players love sandbagging the biggest 3s tournament in the world, why would the SBO qualifying teams not be composed of entirely Ken/Chun/Yun if the top players in the world thought they were the most powerful?
I’m pretty handy in a Y-Wing. So handy that I can beat B-Wings! Therefore Y-Wing is still a contender. Replace B-Wing with TIE Defender or Missile Boat for even more factual truth!
It’s hyperbole. Sort of like when I say my shitty car barely does 5 km/h. It actually goes much faster than that. Also like when I said I took a shit bigger than my body; that didn’t actually happen.
This is what’s frustrating me. Well that and the guy who told me to shut the fuck up twice then reported me when I asked him what would happen if I didn’t. That’s frustrating too. Fuck that guy, whoever he is.
People listen to Sirlin? Wait…er, I’m confused.
If you were beating all of the best B-Wings and TIE Defenders in the world, then yeah, you would be. I don’t see how you can define balance in a non-trivial PvP game outside of how people perform using the different game elements?
By non-trivial I mean not RPS or other easily mathematically analyzable game.
I think the Japanese players love sandbagging the biggest 3S tournament in the world.
Tie Interceptor Bespin run if we’re gonna try and go for hard shit.
For real this could have been a interesting thread but the title, stupid Sirlin fanboys, stupid 3S Purist, and everything inbetween fucked it up. I’m gonna play some Rogue Squadron now and try to beat the Trench Run with a SNowspeeder, get at me.
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic.
herp derp?
You know what I’m saying? I’m 38 and stopped playing hardcore in the mid 90s. I still play them for fun when I feel like it.
Back in the day it wasn’t really anti-progress, but it wasn’t put under the microscope 24/7 like it can be now either.CE came out everybody switched off of WW partly due to joysticks and buttons not working.
When SF3 all versions came out, I’ll admit I didn’t like it because it was too different compared to SF2.
It’s kind of a dumb question. It’s like asking why SF4 singles tournaments didn’t consist solely of Sagat, or why everyone at the BlazBlue CS II tournament at EVO wasn’t using Makoto. Because sometimes good players don’t pick the best characters. That doesn’t mean they don’t feel like they can win with them, and it also doesn’t mean they aren’t top tier characters.
I chose my example very carefully; in canon and in every game they’ve been in together, the B-Wing is just a better version of a Y-Wing, and the TIE Defender is just a better version of every other ship, and the Missile Boat is just a gimmicky AE Fei Long-type ship that, used right, bodies even the mighty TIE Defender.
That’s all I’m going to say about that.
Okay now you’re just being retarded. No one is trying to say that because Kuroda wins with Q he’s the best, or that Loli can tear shit up with Necro, we’re just saying they can compete on a damn near even ground, which has been proven in countless post here that have either been ignored or constantly replied to with “Sorry anecdotal evidence”.
Specs, stop bringing up Tie Fighter man, making me depressed I can’t play that shit right now.
Balance is different depending on region down to even the meaning of the word itself can change. Saying a game is balanced is basically saying you like the color Blue.
3v3 tournaments just aren’t great tests of character effectiveness. It’s like, yeah look there was a Makoto and a Urien and what not in semi-finals at SBO. There was also a Chun-Li, a Yun, or both on every one of those teams.
If absolutely superior skill didn’t trump matchup problems, you’d have an essentially unplayable game.
Was Hilde not a problem in SC4 because Malek beat Hilde players at Evo 2k9?
I don’t mean to offend and don’t take the following comment personal but this comment ranks as one of the silliest I read in this thread.
If something isn’t better enough to allow you to dominate other players than its not enough of a balance issue to care about. Realitstically speaking, considering how retarded the TIE Defender and Missile Boat were you couldn’t take a decent pilot in them and obviously that’s not the same as this case.
Third Strike players: Just take the high road now and stop replying
No matter how many times we acknowledge the game is unbalanced, no matter how many times we say we wanted an arcade version of Third Strike and would be cool with a new SF3 game, no matter how many times we tell them we play other games that do get patched and don’t say leave it alone forever, no matter how much we try to explain how inappropriate using Third Strike re-release and it’s playerbase as an example for his antiprogress and antibalance opinion piece is, no matter how many times we explain that the game is fun as is and like it, they will just keep saying we shouldn’t like it, we shouldn’t want to play this game, we should asking for a new game, we shouldn’t want to play an old game, we should want the old game we like changed.
Fighting games aren’t allowed to be re-released, they need to undergo the Sirlin treatment before being accepted because we can just play the old games somewhere else. Only Sirlin’s love letters where he changes the game are allowed when re-releasing the game.
Nice to know if I go into the section for the game I enjoy, I get to see a debate with people telling us we’re not allowed to want an old game re-released because it’s the exact same game as it is 10+ years ago and it’s not logical to want the game itself left alone.
Let’s just play our brokeny game.
I’m not sure where I claimed that’s what you said. Just because one guy can do really well with a low-tier character doesn’t make the character any less low-tier. It could mean that player (Kuroda) is just that godlike. When you see a pattern of top players all winning with certain characters, like Chun-Li and Yun (even in Japan), then you have some actual evidence that you can use to create tiers. Listing one or two 3v3 tournaments and saying “see, these characters are on teams that went far in the tourney, and they’re not supposed to be good!” is not good evidence.
You almost can’t get any better evidence that a game is unbalanced than what we’ve seen with 3S. I’m really not sure how you guys would ever be able to argue that any other game is unbalanced with a straight face.
i’m confused:
am i supposed to hate sirlin or 3S or both?
I think I failed to understand the topic of this thread. Is anyone willing to enlighten me?
it seems this discussion has changed its target topic often.