Sirlin.net: "The Anti-Progress Attitude"

^Because this is how Capcom determines commercial success of their games.

you post an anti-3s thread in the 3S forum and if someone doesn’t like what the ass said about 3s and doesn’t like the ass either, you think they shouldn’t post in this thread??

so let me get this straight once more, you come into a 3S FORUM- A PLACE ME AND MANY OTHER MEMBERS WHO LOVE 3S HAVE BEEN POSTING IN FOR MANY YEARS- and post negative comments from some dumbass about 3s and then agree with it and kiss his ass in doing so- then have the audacity to tell the beloved 3s members that if they don’t LIKE what he said to not post about it!!!

what kind of a sick, twisted fucktard troll are you anyways?? why don’t you, Valeris, specs and the rest of 3s haters GTFO out of here??

why the fuck are you here???
why,why, why??
what a world, huh? maybe the 3S players should WASTE THEIR TIME and go post a bunch of spewing hatred at the SFIV forums, or even the SF2 forums!!! yay, that sounds like fun, NOT.

do something more productive with your lives than being attention-seeking trolls. 3S rocks and is perfect the way it is…and that’s that.

This thread was never about money and financial success, but no you’re right it made a lot of money and in that field Capcom definitely did a great job. No one is going to argue that

^ To be fair this was in FGD…

Fivec did get thrown under the bus by Sirlin for flame baiting tho…“Sirlin puts 3S community on blast” was the title anyway… I think only moderators can change titles…

Why hasn’t this thread been moved back where it came from?

Because its counter-productive.

that makes much more sense. thanks for that info. an anti-3s thread in a 3s forum is absurd, so thanks again for clearing that up.

I didn’t post this thread in the 3S forum, it was moved here. Also, the “someone” you’re referring to admitted to not reading what I posted. So yeah, I take exception to him coming into the thread and taking a fat shit in it. That’s lazy and ignorant, and I’m going to call him out on it.

Sirlin puts 3S purists on blast.

There is a distinction there.

But some folk in this thread made the argument that “HDR did bad so why would Capcom do something similar” when in fact the game was a huge success and made this game and MVC2 HD happen.

Fair enough, I’m guilty of that

I read a lot of this thread and you should read my comment above yours. I didn’t know that before. that said, you are still trolling an awful lot in here and since this IS now in the 3S section I would recommend you cool it on the hating stuff.

It is perfectly fine to be a fan and not like certain things about what you are a fan of, but some of the members in here are NOT fans in the slightest and the hate is just so much more overwhelming, like 3S took part of their life away or something.

Didn’t know disagreeing with people or calling them out when they are wrong constitutes as trolling.

That is due to the age of the street fighter 2 fanbase being mid-20s-early 30s and having real jobs and you know most of us just like going online to those friend lobbies and Play player matches or have friends who still play the game

The st scene is just as small as the 3s scene

It is because we are old now

Tell me what this means then please.

You can compete effectively with him, and Kuroda proves that. You can’t really separate character balance from the players that use the characters, especially in 3S, where the existence of parry helps smooth over matchup issues between characters - and so showing a player that can destroy extremely skilled Yun, Ken and Chun players with Q is definitive proof that he is competitive. Same goes for all the pro Uriens, Yangs, etc.

You really have to think of balance as not only a linear description of tiers but a matrix of the tiers at various skill levels. At the lowest and intermediate skill levels, 3S is very well balanced. At the pro-but-not-godlike skill level Yun, Ken, and Chun really pull ahead of everyone else, and when you get to the level of Kuroda, Momochi, RX, Tokido, etc. etc. it’s much wider, with many more characters effectively competing. An example:

http://www.eventhubs.com/images/2009/aug/17/super-battle-opera-2009-street-fighter-3-third-strike-bracket-results/

In the semi’s you have 4 chuns, 2 yuns, an urien, a yang, a Q, and a Makoto. At Evo you had 3 vipers and 2 yuns in the top 8 for SSF4AE. I don’t think 3S stands out as more or less balanced than any other fighting game when you reach the highest levels of play.

As far as Sirlin’s article, I don’t really even feel like it’s worthy of consideration. His core point is obvious - it’s worth it to rebalance an unbalanced game. The argument he fails to make is that 3S is an example of such a game. He just cites common knowledge about balance, and common knowledge in this case is just wrong. Also when he basically says “I don’t care about Japanese play with respect to balance” it’s like saying “I don’t care about Korean play with respect to balance” in Starcraft. It’s just silly. Tacking on a sales pitch for his games at the end was extra classy :stuck_out_tongue:

Anecdotal evidence, sorry.

Anything that disagrees with me or doesn’t give me the respect I so clearly deserve is trolling.

Anecdotal evidence using a 3v3 single-elim tourney as the evidence, no less. I wonder what the results of Japanese singles tournaments at the highest level would be.

Where have you been?