The funny thing is that the reason most people hate 3s has nothing to do with the characters, but the game engine itself. So even if the game were to be rebalanced, there’s still the fact that most of the people who hate it wont be playing it
It’s like the only reason people who don’t have any interest in the game wants it to be rebalanced for…I don’t know why
It just means that when you say things like this:
I get to ignore you. Because what? I’m supposed to assume that some chode with “troll” right there in his username, who has been able to demonstrate the ability to thrash wildly away at his keyboard, and nothing else, is the authority on having a life? K.
No, I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt and responded to what you said. Produce the evidence that I didn’t.
Redrapper missed the point just as you did.
I don’t agree or disagree with Sirlin. I think he makes some interesting and valid points, and I wanted to see how the SRK community would respond to them, knowing full well that at least 90% of the responses would be mindless vitriol. Thankfully, there were some who thoughtfully and honestly rebutted Sirlin’s points. I enjoyed reading those (few) posts, but I don’t feel the need to respond to them.
With a sensationalist title like the one this thread has, you couldn’t possibly be expecting a civil discussion
How does HDR contradict what I just said at all…? That game wasn’t available in Japan, and it was for consoles only.
He’s defaming the people who wanted an arcade port of Third Strike on console to make a point about a mindset that I personally rarely see.
I would love to see these constant posts about Super being fine, leave it untouched before AE released.
The title was meant to attract eyeballs. I figured the more people, the more chance that a few are going to respond civilly. I’m well aware the title is sensationalist and would summon the hordes of angry trolls.
I’m going to say something about the original article (not about him).
The article had a point. HOWEVER, that point was buried between commentating on the game itself and making awkward comparisons to Starcraft.
For all the huff and puff about people missing the point of the article, the article only explicity contained one part of a paragraph solidifying that point. He didn’t exactly make it easy to connect to the point, to be honest.
That was it. That was all of it. The fact that he says that it should be fixed and that we should ask for it to be fixed is central to this entire thread. Why should it be fixed? If it is fixed, what would be gained? People already have ten years of hating the game under them. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. It’s not like balancing it will magically bring the game into the living rooms of the new generation who heard how bad the balance is.
The game is for Third Strike players and people who want to experience Third Strike. If they had rebalanced and included arcade Third Strike in the same package, that would have been wonderful. They didn’t, and it’s wonderful. We aren’t against a rebalance. What we are against (I’m sorry for repeating this) is a forced rebalance under our game’s name. THAT’s what the review was saying. If it was rebalanced and didn’t contain the Arcade version, it would be an inferior port.
That said, I’m leaving the thread. It has been fun everyone, but I can’t see this conversation going much further with any sort of reasonable arguments being posed from this point forward (actually many pages back, but that’s ok).
~Brit
*Edit: for clarification.
Funny thing is Sirlin could’ve made an article on the mindset without ranting about Third Strike and calling everyone who wanted the game arcade perfect mean things.
But he didn’t for whatever reason. People who’ve interacted with Sirlin know why.
They’re not toys either.
I wish it was, the problem is much much bigger than one small subgroup.
SF4 is hard in general because they don’t really do balance patches so much as mini-sequels. It comes up all the time discussing MK and marvel balance patches though.
Outside of a few small, basically closed groups, they really are.
… actually let me go further. All games are toys. Soccer balls are toys too.
I get that you guys don't like 3S being attacked and don't like Sirlin. Y'all are just being stubborn about the other thing.I’ve long said this but don’t have Sirlins clout to back it up. 3S should have been a III series compilation and not a catering project to the worst attitudes in the scene. End rant.
Don’t know anything about MK community but I read the Marvel boards a lot and I mostly see “Yay new game!” or “Too soon”. I don’t think I’ve seen a “game is fine, leave it alone forever” yet.
I don’t think you’ve seen the anti-3S attitudes or the anti-anime game attitudes.
Well take me word for it, they’re out there…
How about this as a compromise: Sirlin is kind of a jerk, and 3SO is exactly what it should be (as far as the actual game goes, problems with lag and missing features aside), a true to arcade port. Can you agree then that its okay to balance patch games in general? In that case we have nothing to disagree about personally.
So you’re either an idiot or have autism.
I’m pretty much done with this thread but I’ll just throw this last one in.
For me it’d be nice if he was just attacking 3S. People can attack 3S but the game stays the same and I like it and everything is cool. People have been attacking each other’s games since the beginning of time. It’s just this whole trying to change old games when the result is an immediate divide in the community rather than the community working together to keep the game alive as is. I would prefer the new games to be rebalanced because then you just don’t have to deal with all of that other BS. It’s better to just have people appreciate the history and carry it on so that everyone gets in on the same page than try to add new school stuff to a game that’s evolved through history. It’s too much change too late for 3S.
No more of this teaching old games new tricks stuff. Shit’s gotta go. No more of this naming Super Turbo/3S something slightly different and messing around with shit.
Yeah? How do you figure?
All 3s players are used to that. just like how the sf4 players are used to us shitting on them and their game lol so thats not really the issue.
Players from sirlins point of view do not like the 3rd strike system and hide it in “rebalance” articles. import SF4 chun’s exact moveset into 3S and she would still be godlike. hit confirming, parries and uoh, are what they dont like.
Believing Fantasy Strike will ever be a complete game. Death Cargo has proven itself to be a game more then Fantasy Strike.
I laugh at the whole “Sirlin was condescending” and “Sirlin could have said what he said without attacking 3S” comments as if somehow not being condescending and not using a game that just came out as a fitting example for his point would have changed that point or the reaction to it.
OMG close the thread, am I right?
I never said it wasn’t okay. I’m all for improving the game and I wish the SF4 guys knew how to improve the game*. I’m looking forward to Skullgirls, KoF13, UMvC3 and VF5FS for console. I don’t have a problem things being changed and learning to use them again.
*I say this because Dudley isn’t a strong character in SF4 and every time they come out with a new iteration, no real changes are made and they end up making something good of his worse. Super to AE sHK lost 3 frames of hitstun, taking away combos. AE to AE ver2, Ultra 1 (Rolling Thunder) now hits opponents airborne which will have an adverse effect on the moves Rolling Thunder could punish like Psycho Crusher, Blanka Balls, Akuma Air Fireball, etc because since it didn’t hit anyone in the air, they would fall into Rolling Thunder meaty and take the bulk of the damage. If it juggles, the damage will be much less and no longer good for this purpose, making this situational Ultra even worse.