ST died because there was no suitable console port that everyone could agree on, that is all. It becomes inconvenient to lug around arcade setups everywhere.
I’m baffled that you can read that article and think his view of Third Strike is objective.
Actually the fact that the mindset is a clear minority makes his argument invalid. If he wanted to attack the mindset, use a modern game where the mindset is the majority (you can’t, the people saying leave it alone are few, there’s more people saying wait and see, nerf the top, or buff the bottom).
Both ST and 3S lasted as competitive games until the newer generation of (capcom) games came out. There’s a whole boat of reasons for that, but people blaming HDR (not Pasky) aren’t thinking it through.
Mr.X, You’re focusing on the small-scale and ignoring hte big scale. People are so upset that their game is being attacked that they can’t get into the bigger discussion. As far as I can tell, Sirlin used 3s because it was in the news, and there was a specific review he was reacting to.
That’s kind of how Blogs work.
Why does an opinion have to be a majority for an argument against it to be valid? What in the hell kind of logic is that? Also, who cares if his opinion is objective, he is merely saying the game is unbalanced (it is) and that those who would not play a rebalance at all are being illogical. Any other criticism of the game he has (he lists!) is ignored in the argument.
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION
The mindset he is calling out is the minority. Very few people that play these new games are absolutely against balancing in some shape or form, which is why he used Third Strike Online Edition and the people that wanted it arcade perfect, so it looks like (especially to those on the outside) that Fighting Game Community is totally opposed to balance patches.
i dont know if it makes any difference but , i played ssf4 for 2 years which was apparently a reasonably balanced game …but i had no fun .
ive played 3rd strike for two days (apparently a horribly balanced game) and i’ve probably never had so much fun playing a fighting game before .
it’s all about fun at the end of the day isn’t it ? because it is after all a game .
These claims that making a new version of the game would split the community are ridiculous. The deciding factor is availability. Will the game be available worldwide? Will it be available for both arcades and consoles? If the answer is “yes” to both, then the community will move on.
If its a minority its an extremely vocal one. There’s a huge anti-patching trend in the FGC, and SRK specifically. They yell and holler and carry on each time a patch for any game comes out. Yes, for current games too.
And they’re against patching because of old games like ST and 3S and marvel 2.
It is not illogical to want what you want. It’s a matter of taste and preference. I don’t want any change done to the game because I like the game just the way it is. Yes yes Chun, Yun is broken…or so he says but I still want to play 3rd Strike not a hypothetical new rebalanced edition. I know people like to make the assumption that a balanced game would be better but that’s not true for hardcore 3rd Strike hardcore fans.
I see people saying:
-Wait and see, too early
-Buff the bottom
-Nerf the top
-Oh God, I hope Capcom doesn’t fuck this up
I rarely ever see people see people say “leave it alone and never update it”.
He had to use Third Strike Online Edition for his argument because the “leave it alone” people are the majority here because we want a console version of the arcade game.
We already know that:
- Capcom usually can’t balance very well.
- Even when Capcom games ARE balanced well the community of the Capcom games is fucked up in the brain.
Case in point: "for all the complaining about sagat, people were much more bored with SSF4"
Yeah it’s not fun when there’s nothing to complain about but the flawed general system itself right?
Did Tekken rebalances kill the scene? Did VF rebalances kill the scene (I mean for the people who could actually play the new arcade versions)? Did GG or MB rebalances kill the scenes?
If anything, the only lesson you can learn from this is that a player who wants quality and progress shouldn’t really be a part of the Capcom player base, and its games’ communities, and should try games from other companies instead.
I never called any of you stupid, I just said the games are shallow. If you can’t swim, you can’t swim that’s just it and if you feel comfortable at the end where you can set your feet down, by all means go ahead. I’m just saying there are deeper waters than anything being brought out now and a lot of people are either uncomfortable, unconfident, or just straight up too lazy to take that step into the deep end and then the cocky ones that decide to take the step end up wanting the floor brought to them, instead of reaching it for themselves when they feel like it’s not their lack of determination or skill that is the problem.
Agreed. we were very lucky lol . None of the O.G ST players i know like hd remix. Now i dont knock anyone who doesnt like 3s and i even understand the non scrub reasoning for not liking the game but in terms of “moving forward” it seems moving forward with balance means “make it easier” no one has figured out the formula to satisfy both sides of the fence yet
There’s nothing and I mean NOTHING in the 4 series that sets players apart from one another. there are some godlike options selects and techniques in 3S and ST where you would be like damn “i gotta go learn how to do that” and you know that player put the work in to do it. new SF games are too easy. good or bad…we’ll see in 5 years
all this balance shit in new games is a myth. they are trying to balance out the actual players. johny donuts doesnt like the fact that i can reversal a blocked sweep with a super, or that there are execution things we can do that he cant. people who dont like 3s either suck at the game or dont like the system. thats fine. but it doesnt mean it needs to be changed. play 4
ST isn’t dead. 3S isn’t dead. HDR is the only game that is close to effectively dead since a lot of people have just figured to migrate over to GGPO ST any way. Regular tournaments and majors are still held for ST in Japan. With that logic every fighting game is a toy compared to LoL.
OK that’s just not true. It’s getting better, but every single time a balance patch is announced people come rushing in and complain that they shouldn’t change anything and the game is fine as it is. It’s constant! (Well I should acknolwedge the exception of AE2012, but that’s because AE’s just so messed up)
It seems to me that you are mad that sirlin attacked your game and your community, and that’s the entirety of your point in posting.
Deviljin: Depends on what you mean by dead. And I didn't even say that, I said they've been surpassedPlease explain how my username is relevant at all. Its not like it says IM A TROLL. It just has troll in the name.
You only think ‘he must be trolling’ because its easier than offering a rebuttal to everything I’ve said.
You didn’t respond to redrapper and countless others.
So, wait, if you don’t actually agree with Sirlin, you’re just here arguing for the sake of arguing? Yea, thats what these forums need. You should be banned. Like I said, more reason to pity you in every post. Get a life.
They’re not ridiculous. There is a mountain of evidence in the case of HDR and the fact that the majority didn’t want a rebalance this time around. You need to start thinking about what you’re saying and stop talking out your ass. Availability won’t matter because i GUARANTEE japan won’t play a new version because it won’t be in arcades/thats what they are like.
Technically, it was not the rebalance itself, it was how fast it happened.
And yes, there is always the fear that things can be made worse.
Not just for AE.
People should play more attention to why some fans share certain sentiments
When a guy starts attacking a game that he knows little about and goes on about how he thinks could improve the game when his suggestions do nothing but show his ignorance, I think it’d be kinda natural for fans of that game to call him out on that…maybe even angrily.
But then again, I guess that’s just exclusive to the 3rd Strike community, right?
I’m referring to Apology Edition instead of 3S. If Capcom caters to a crowd that actively wants lower quality games, they can have those games- I have other, better options.
As for HDR , most of the evidence to that crowd is simply one thing: the “wrong people” are winning. There are legitimate criticisms of HDR, but overall, any objective analysis would say that HDR is a more interesting, balanced game in most matchups. (there are a few matchups that got worse, but not that many, Sirlin did make a few mistakes that he has said he wished he could patch out, such as certain things about fake Ryu FB)
Specifically, I’m thinking that they’re catering to the shit taste of the “fans” who hate balance and who prefer easy wins and mindless games over putting out effort into interesting games. The funny thing is they are the ones claiming the other side is scrubby/lacks effort/whatever, when they’re the real ones who are exhibiting that characteristic.