Sirlin.net: "The Anti-Progress Attitude"

Classic Fighting Games Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
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No dumbass, that is an opinion…

Third Strike being ‘bad’ wasn’t supposed to be the premise of his argument but it completely took over, for the purpose of his argument, I’m sure “Third Strike is unbalanced” would have sufficed. This is a true statement as it is with all fighting games, and then he could’ve gone into detail about bringing tiers closer together, and how the ‘purists’ attitude is harmful to the competitive games, which I’m sure someone with a doctorate degree would be able to do…

However, he twisted the focus of his argument to “Fuck Third Strike, this is a terrible game, the worst Street Fighter to come out”… and then he vainly plugs his games at the end of the article…

It’s just so… all over the place…

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Please retitle this thread ‘3S purists put Sirlin on blast’

Also, I see some Sirlin purists putting 3S on blast.

What’s funny to me is that apparently 1) you’re not supposed to patch/rebalance new games, because they haven’t had time to develop but 2) you’re not supposed to rebalance old games, because they’re classics.

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BTW, the top ten lists that James Chen mentioned are wrong.

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Almost everything James Chen was saying about 3s at EVO was wrong

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The solution is obvious - you give a game time to develop* before patching it.

*time to develop is not 10+ years

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Saying a game is more unbalanced than a lot of other games is not just an opinion. It can be evaluated based on objective criteria. It is falsifiable.

The fact that you think the focus of his argument is that Third Strike is bad speaks to your reading comprehension ability.

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Not accurate. You can see the top eight for every Evo since 2K2 at Wikipedia, along with the name and/or username of the player and their country.

That’s EXACTLY what this article is about. He literally could have just said, “it’s very poorly balanced and it’s too bad they didn’t rebalance it. Thanks a lot, purists!” But it’s already known that he hates the game and went on this long ass rant about how poorly balanced it is, completely forgetting the title of the article. You can throw a stick at a pile of fighters and hit a more balanced game. He said that. You can also throw a stick into a crowd of people and hit one prettier than the rest.

His entire article was opinion that is somehow being taken as fact. I can tell you right now, Blazblue Calamity Trigger is just as poorly balanced as 3S. If you’re not playing Nu or Arakune, you’re either really fucking good or you’re losing. Garou: Mark of the Wolves is another poorly balanced game. If you’re not Ryan or Jenet, you’re either really fucking good or losing.

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No they aren’t. Those were the characters in Top 8 those years. He didn’t list the characters that weren’t Yun or Chun for rhetorical effect. The complete top 8’s those years:

2005:

1st: Chun-Li
2nd: Chun-Li
3rd: Yun
4th: Yun
5th: Chun-Li
5th: Dudley
7th: Chun-Li
7th: Chun-Li

2006:

1st: Yun
2nd: Yun
3rd: Chun-Li
4th: Yun
5th: Yun
5th: Chun-Li, Urien
7th: Chun-Li
7th: Ken

2007:

1st: Chun-Li
2nd: Chun-Li
3rd: Ken, Ryu
4th: Makoto
5th: Chun-Li
5th: Necro
7th: Chun-Li
7th: Ken

2008:

1st: Chun-Li
2nd: Chun-Li
3rd: Chun-Li
4th: Chun-Li, Urien
5th: Chun-Li
5th: Akuma
7th: Ken, Yun
7th: Yun, Ken

“Nah, brah. That’s just your OPINION, MAN.”

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That’s not true at all…haters gonna hate.

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Well i guess we will see if the sales numbers from players that think like you justifies the the non-rebalance. You can hate on HD remix forever but you can’t deny that a new version of a classic game lead to big sales.

And are you really counting that single elim 2007 top 8? Kuroda and hayao playing two of the shittiest characters got to semi’s based on that crappy format. Even that couldn’t stop the Chun flood.

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So, like I said, he was wrong.

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Anyone can win. Show me Necro on any tier list. Doesn’t matter what tier list. Show me Necro’s placement.
Didn’t Kuroda get Top 8 at SBO one year with fucking Q?

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Do people not understand exageration? He was in the ballpark though. Try to do the same thing with any other fighting game and you would have issues.
Read my post about 2007. A lot of people seem to have forgotten the whole single elim debacle. Rose colored glasses indeed

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He wasn’t wrong, ffs. Unless you honestly believe that James Chen cannot count to 8.

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[INDENT=2][LEFT]"Street Fighter III: Third Strike - This year [2008], in the Top 8, we had Chun, Chun, Chun, Chun, Chun, and Yun. In 2007, we had Chun, Chun, Chun, and Chun. In 2006, we had Yun, Yun, Yun, Yun, Chun, Chun, and Chun. In 2005, we had Chun, Chun, Chun, Chun, Chun, Yun, and Yun. I don’t think there’s anything left to say about this game.[/LEFT][/INDENT]

Yeah it’s pretty appalling. It’s laughable to think addressing this might make it an “inferior port.” I think parrying making projectiles and zoning hardly matter is an even bigger problem, as is the shallow hit-confirm-into-super gameplay in general, but let’s not even go there. Let’s just imagine that stuff is all great. A game where two characters totally dominate is a problem. (Yes I know about Japan, but balance is clearly disastrous anyway.)"

Let’s keep going with this… not only is he using false information to critique/criticize the game with, but he calls the game shallow… is that statement, falsifiable? “I know about Japan but balance is clearly disastrous anyway”… whoa whoa whoa… if you’re going to call a game horribly unbalanced stick to your guns and don’t make concessions… in Japan, there are players that win with characters that are not Chun and Yun… so is the balance of this game completely horrible or isn’t it…

Other folks have said that the starcraft analogy is alright wrong…

This article still holds credibility to you? Okay, sure guy…

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And another thing: Dudley, Makoto, Ken, Chun, Yun, Yang, Urien, Ibuki, Akuma can easily make number one in tournaments, probably even Hugo, Ryu, Oro, etc… American 3S is bad, have you seen 3S in Japan? Probably not.

Well, he missed Dudley, Necro, Ken, Urien, etc… So yes, he’s wrong.

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lol.

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does anyone still listen to sirlin…

:sunglasses:

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EVO just so HAPPENS to be the most prestigious third strike tournaments that all the best 3s players in the world attend

Brb I’m going to fucking puke my brains out and cut my wrists

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Yeah, Kuroda OCV’d everyone by himself with Q until he lost to Momochi’s Makoto in the finals at SBO.