That’s not footsies, if you think it is and if that’s what you do, then your a terribad.
Pretty sure it has been shown that, though edited for effect, those results are based on the truth. It is also erroneous to expect Evo results as the pinnacle of 3s play, though it is pretty telling of the overall balance of the game.
Footsies is midrange ground based fighting with walking and normals, and parry fishing makes up a significant part of that in 3S. I don’t really see what there is to argue with here.
sirlin and derek neil should have a boxing match
just saying.
I don’t disagree with any of this (disregarding the dumb analogy). However, changes definitely could be made to improve the balance without making the game less fun. Again, I don’t play 3S, but I’m sure those who do have a good understanding of what changes low tier characters or super arts could benefit from. I would imagine those changes would only add to the value of the game. That being said, the point Laban brought up is also correct - Capcom would most likely have to also make an arcade release for the community to accept it, and doing something like that may not be financially worth it for them. That’s probably the biggest barrier to having a rebalance happen. By the way, reading an article like Sirlin’s doesn’t have nearly as much of an impact on my view of the game as say, watching a tournament match and seeing a Chun-Li mirror where both players start the round by whiffing cr.MK repeatedly, or looking up Remy videos and not being able to find a single one where he wins.
They also need to bring back red parries. Why did they take those out?
It’s also not arcade perfect because I used to play at the Family Fun Center and the roundhouse button was broken on the P2 side. They should fix that.
Actually it was the P1 side. The P2 side just had a stiff joystick.
I’ve said it before: when it comes to Sirlin, his “critics” tend to be comprised of 1% actual thoughtful criticism and 99% Fox News “OMG ObamaCare kills seniors” nonsense, arguing strawmen and appealing to emotion and wondering why Sirlin himself doesn’t respond to their “articulate” arguments.
Okay, this made me laugh super hard IRL. People are staring. Fuck them.
The topic was about discussing Sirlin’s views on what he perceives to be a poisonous attitude in the FG community, and specifically the 3S one.
This was derailed by people anxious to demonstrate every logical fallacy in the book, while ironically claiming it’s the other side doing exactly that.
I like focus attacks.
My opinion of Sirlin’s fireball/parry argument is in SF3 fireballs aren’t meant to keep you out, they’re meant to slow you down. That’s the way I always looked at it. Also the same fireball principles and techniques from ST still apply in 3S/SF3 series in general, they’re just used in a different way.
Okay now thats pretty funny 
We saw how long HDR, Alpha 3 Upper, Ver. B, and other ‘revisions’ of old games did when they were still even slightly relevant in the community. They lasted real long didn’t they? Oh wait…
You pretty much exchange the foundation of the original community for a shoddy replacement that won’t last as long. Let’s give an old man ostrich like artificial legs in hopes that he’ll walk again, but he has to learn to walk again. Great idea right? Even though he’ll probably die in the next 2-3 years.
They made it clear that all they wanted was 3s. They want the 3s that the Japanese players are playing because that’s just the 3s community’s thing, to play the same game and hopefully compete. No one coming into the game will last that long, due to the fact there are new games that are shinier, easier to play, and there are more people playing than will 1) buy the re-release and 2) keep playing days, weeks, months, or years after the re-release.
So if you fuck with it, you don’t have the “blessing” (most of you would call it a curse) of the old players and a lot of the new players just leave, because that will happen, and leave a bunch of people in the middle pissed off then bashing whoever’s idea it was to make a rebalanced version or whatever and not sure where to go because no one plays the game they like. Especially since Ponder removed 3s from GGPO, this would be an even bigger problem for those that only had that way to play the arcade version that they wanted and were promised from Capcom. People going out and buying consoles to play this port should be evident of the dedication and love for the game, not the hard headedness or ego or stupidity or anything that all of you fucks are spouting.
GGPO isn’t perfect, 3sOE isn’t perfect, but it has to be 3s, because 3s is the game they know and love. Like everyone has said, if you want to rebalance, release a new game. KOF98UM wasn’t released as KOF98, GG balances weren’t just GG, SF2 wasn’t just SF2 the entire time, and SF4 hasn’t been SF4 the entire time. Every time balance changes were made, a new tag was added on. No one is against this, they are against changing shit and calling it 3s.
Oh god can someone please lock this.
Watch me sum it up right here.
“3S is fine!”
“No it’s not you’re stupid!”
“The attitude that it’s fine is poison for fighting games!”
“3S isn’t balanced but it’s fun anyway so who cares?”
When I played 3S seriously Makoto and Ibuki were my biggest problems they got in quick and normally shut down my game plans. To me Yun is a joke without Genin-Ji, Chun Li is predictable as fuck most players don’t rush in with her and most panic when pressed into a corner. Yeah people tier whore because they use what’s safe and they are safe yet after all this time there’s a massive amount of tech to get around the BS that Yun and Chun Li have. I can see re-balancing 3S to have 2nd Impact Sean and make 12 not a joke char I can accept that shit.
Yet overall everybody in that game is legit It’s all about the effort you put into the game. To balance 3S now is a slap in the face of those that been playing the game since 99. All that hard work and effort is gone. Yeah “new” players or should I say SF4 players will have a hard time playing because they’re stuck with their auto pilot combos and comeback BS. There’s so many videos out there showing high level play. TheShend has SO many videos it even helped me build my Q and Remy game up. Also there’s vids out there that show and break down the 3S system that are easy to follow you just have to take a few hours out your life. Those hours you’ll most likely spend online getting blown up and frustrated that you’re not getting the results you want. If you want to play with the big boys I just say you have to work at it and that means getting your ass beat a lot.
I’ve been hearing this a lot: “don’t change the game and call it 3s”. Does the name have sentimental value? Also, what in the world would possess Capcom to purposely call a rehash of a 12-year old game exactly the same? They changed the UI’s, added a shitty remixed soundtrack, GGPO and a couple of miscellaneous things and called the game 3SOE. If they did a rebalance and/or added content they would probably call it SF3.5: Final Armageddon or something. I guess this comes from fans trying to assert that the original title will always be better or have more “value” to them, but I don’t see why the nomenclature is brought up so much.
Granted there’s a ton of shit that has already driven this off-topic but that just caught my eye, carry on…
Lot of people started with 3S. Got a lot of people into the scene. Of course it has sentimental value.
Even if they called it 3rd Strike Remix or something, that’s better than calling it Third Strike.
Same on that level as those right-wing, no gay marriage people that are actually PRO gay-marriage, as long as you call it a civil union.
The word “marriage” is sacred to them.
If you read the next sentence you should realize I was being sarcastic. I was making fun of the people saying he’s an idiot.
Your next sentence gives no hint of the first being sarcastic, at all. Might want to work on that.
This is a REALLY productive thread