Since when is being retarded considered a learning disablity?
what i’m saying is right, i know it is. i just dont know how to explain it well enough.
What you know is what your feeling, not what is in reality. if it’s like the other 1000000000 ppl that post this topic, your mad cause people are playing the game in a way that you don’t like and/or understand (most likely understand).
So instead of solving your problem, you assume every other tournament player has a problem, and YOU must solve that problem using a conclusion you seem to have never researched or put any proof behind. In fact you really don’t seem to understand the problem:
The only places i remember people using yun in a grand final are exo’s wins in philly and pyro in FFA. The only other people I recall winning with yun are japanese. And i hate yun too so i’m not being biased here.
I could go through the other 2441431214 mistakes in your logic, but if you don’t realize they exist, your just being full of yourself. Bottom line is if you have feelings about the game thats one thing, but your solutions are just based on you being mad and saying whatever you want, not based on reality.
Noone is doubting that SF games cater to certain styles and characters, but trying to fix it is like trying to accomodate for fat out of shape people in marathon running. The game is designed a certain way and that’s all there is to it.
i’m not mad i’m sorry. i went back and see i was wrong on alot of things. i just dont like the whole counter character strategy of tourny play that america has and thought if it was single elimination then it would fix that problem that i disagreed with personally.
i agree, if tournies were single elim. people would squeese out more potential out of their characters and have better competition.
IMO there’s less counter charactering than you think, it’s like MLG said, top players often can use people who aren’t their main THEN switch to their main, regardless of what char the opponent is using.
IIRC Justin used Necro in a finals in Jersey, and When Arturo came here a while back he ran sean. Now do you think they would be using those chars if things were single elim? They wouldn’t even be using those chars in dbl elim if they thought may be outmatched. Who excatly wouldn’t be using what character in single elim, and what character do you think they are going to use. People who truly play one of the mid tiers play them all the time anyway, so it’s not like they need to be forced to play someone else.
Your buying wayy too much into the SRK hype that every top tier is a free win and you just switch to whatever and win for free, don’t know if yun players would be winning with chun or ken as easy as you say they can. The only problem you might have with them is that they use A top tier character, but like i said before that’s just the way the game goes, single elim doesn’t help that.
you could also say:
on Game Boy DS
Turbo 8
at my house
but to make sense you probably want to say:
more often
more populated
more sponsored
more rewarding for people outside top 3
The issues:
Single elim vs Double
1 game sets vs 2/3
Character switch vs same character
All different.
For whoever asked, best 3/5 single-elim >> 1-match double-elim. If you want to know whow’s better overall, you want to have them play more matches (generally speaking). The problem with 1 game/double-elim is the same as with 1-game/single, only not quite as bad.
The idea of not allowing character-switches is odd. As FMJ pointed out you can do that yourself by just not switching your character, if you’re concerned with your own improvement. But, it does not necessarily promote character diversity, particularly in a double-elim situation. You would see a 20-man 3S tourney with 22 Kens.
Team tournaments sort of work differently, because there’s the issue of team balance- if there was a 3S team tourney and you chose Chun/Chun/Chun and ran into Dudley/Twelve/Ken or something, or even just players who happen to do really well vs Chun, you might screw yourself.
I do like the option of character swtiching, because games which have strong counter-character elements (ST) sort of need them. Otherwise, they become bracket-dependant (if you play Honda and run into nothing but Shotos, you’re in a bad way).
1-game sets are sorta gay. There’s not much else I’ll say about them.
Best system to know who the best overall player is would be round-robin (assuming players never get tired). 2/3 games & double-elim is probably the next-best thing, I think.
So my point is, team tournaments are rock.
No character switching encourages character variety by ensuring you’re not going to get countered by every single opponent you meet in the tournament. When you face bad match-ups in a single char tournament, it encourages you to learn those particular matches to fill the gap. When you’re almost constantly faced with counter-characters, it encourages you to pick a better character or start countering because you’re always trying to fill that gap. Picking a weaker character is essentially a free win for the opponent because you’ll never get to use the good options your character has. There’s really no point picking non top tier characters in such a setting. Without character switching, the player eventually runs into his character’s good match-ups because the players have to commit to their picks. The reason you don’t see people go all top tier when character switching is disallowed is because they get to realize the benefits of picking other characters that disapeared when people always had the option to counter. Knowing that you can lose to weaker players because they have the option to screw you on purpose just because of your character choice is dumb IMO.
Character switching puts the emphasis on overall knowledge of the game instead of knowledge of your own character by giving the players an easy way to avoid all their bad match-ups. You could argue that character switching puts the emphasis on strategy but honestly, I’m not seeing it. I’d much rather watch a group of character experts bringing their best and battling it out than a group of players using a bunch of characters with average proficiency. Character switching makes a mockery of the way the games were originally designed and breeds lazy players in the end. I think that’s what EVERDRED was trying to say and I pretty much agree. It’s true that the tournaments do become more bracket-dependant then but isn’t it already what double elimination is for?
yes, that’s where i was going… damn this american school system.
if u do see 20 kens in a 22 man 3S tourny there is only one winner, the best player still wins. and if its a legion of ken’s your facing doesn’t the opponent only have to worry about him instead of another bad match up? i think single character choice would promote character diversity and improved skill on multiple characters because like others said u need to fill that gap if u encounter a bad match up.
keep it double elimination or better yet have more set rounds for the fights instead of best out of 3 have it best out of 5 or 7. just as long as u cant switch characters… cus that defeats the purpose of actually “Learning” a character.
yo i forgot my post at work brb
The whole idea is whack. Plain an simple. :tdown:
First of all your not going to run into a counter character, your going to run into a TOP TIER character, they are so far advanced that counters really don’t apply outside of that. There are exceptions in ST, and marvel to a lesser degree, but your argument seems to be more about top characters than counter characters. If i said that hugo and ibuki were the characters i switched between i doubt you would be as adamant about your point.
You can’t create character experts by changing the rules, throughout this whole argument ppl have said “I don’t like watching OTHER PEOPLE” or “maybe we get EVERYONE ELSE to play the way i want”. Noone ever says “I really want to specialize in a character, but i can ONLY do it if you force me to play them every match”. I would go so far as to say that NOONE new would become a character expert by changing the rules, if there is i’d like you to point them out, by name, game, and character, and then we can go have a real discussion. In the end that person will probably be thanking god for character switching instead of berating it.
The people that are character experts will be so regardless of the format, because all they have to do is keep picking the same character. What you seem to want to do is change people that you can’t, and shouldn’t want to change. And BTW this isn’t an american thing, people just choose to have a very selective and biased understanding of other SF scenes.
So what is the REAL answer?.. the same as it’s always been, more tournaments, more players, more prizes, not more rules.
its cool just throwing an idea out there. it doesnt help that i’m a commy tho…
its better than knowing better but not saying anything man, don t let these foos hate on you, at least your trying to make it accepted.
anyway, i just wanna point out, japs MAKE time for their hobby, thats why they re so good.
arcades are social places in asia, in korea, everyday from 3 to 9, i hung out at the arcade…thats minimum 30 hours a week.
even if the arcades were far apart, i still would of found a way to invest time in it. high level play is like crack, all day in school all you think about is “wtf, this guy is actually thinking as fast as me if not faster, i m determined” “wtf? this guy is “growing” before my eyes, i better improve”. theres practically no limit to how good you can get cause everyone is smart, fast learners with very good memory. sticking to a character just happens cause you found something you liked in a character, and you wanna win every single game.
anyway, yeh, americans are people with no time, organized events, forums are all good and all, but we need to MAKE time for our hobby.
if you got sorry ass comp, play like 5 hours straight, you ll feel sick of the game, THATS you improving(in many ways might i add), play until your sick, this is what we did with sf2. damn i sound stoned…sorry guys