The main difference between her new crouching medium punch and her old crouching medium punch is that she used to actually punch rather than the awkward swipe that she does now. So, yes, I would prefer her old medium punch back.
I think it would be a good gesture to give her the same stamina as Bison or, at the very least, 50 less. They share a very similar root in power that isn’t dependent on physical strength which is part of what draws me to her character in the first place; would be nice to have a female character with very strong stamina, too, I think.
On the near standing roundhouse: it used to be identical to Soul Piede without moving her forward making it a pretty good move for blockstrings as EveryFF mentioned. Now, it’s this weird very high kick that isn’t good for very much because of the proximity required to use it. Maybe if you could do it at any distance like V-ism controls in Alpha 3 or something…
But then the close s.HK wouldn’t be nearly as good of an AA since there must be some trade-off… I think it’s fair as is to only work from close range but not mid-close range. I mean look at Rufus’s c.MP. there’s only one version of it, and it’s not practical at all as a non-AA poke. As annoying as it might be that there’s no one button wonder for Rose, la Bison’s s.HK, I see that as part of her strength.
However, who knows what they have in the works for her since she basically died at the end of her arcade playthrough.
Also @EveryFlowerFlow: Almost any poke vs many characters puts you at risk of taking damage so I don’t really see how her far heavy attacks could be improved. Just the other day I close s.LK’d a Balrog player who hyper armored off of it into ultra and there was nothing I could do
I really don’t use the near standing roundhouse for anything except perhaps in certain combos due to it whiffing most crouching characters.
Not sure what is planned with Rose. Luckily, current rumors are saying that Gouken is getting cut from the roster while the other console characters remain to fight another day. Not sure if Gouken is being upgraded to boss tier or if something else is planned for.
Current rumors include a second Ultra. Historically, they have the following options for Rose:
Soul Illusion (Famous trademark move dubbed “Friends” in 1998)
Aura Soul Throw (Extremely powerful super in Alpha 2; tons of invincibility frames similar to Abel’s Ultra in Alpha 3)
Aura Soul Spark (This is the inspiration for Illusion Spark, so consider it “used”)
I’m not sure if they would really include Soul Illusion since it seems like it would definitely propel her into mid-tier or higher status automatically. That was a near broken super in Alpha 2 and kept her in mid-tier status for its unblockables in Alpha 3. Aura Soul Throw would allow her to maintain the offensive since it was very easy to combo with in all incarnations of her games.
Yeah, I was thinking about Soul Illusion yesterday before I even read the rumored shit. I really doubt they’ll do that.
I’m almost certain it’ll be Aura Soul Throw or something completely new. Probably the latter really, since AST would replace (and likely work better) in situations we currently use Illusion Spark. I imagine they’ll give her something wacky/interesting, but nothing so potentially game breaking as afterimages. Maybe some Omega Red life/meter-stealing stuff? I’d like that. Nobody drains/steals meters in this game.
I had an Akuma player over yesterday and he was all “How is Rose weak? I don’t see how she’s so bad! What’s so bad about her? Name them!” lol. So yeah, all I really had to do was tell him that drills were punishable and that he wasn’t doing demon flips enough.
With all the news of Super Street Fighter 4…Im worried. That Juri chick looks Fekking cool. >.> First character I’m trying.
But back on topic. If they give her a second ultra, I hope its something that can be comboed into. Rose Desperately needs this. The problem is that they will probably make it like 50% revenge for ultra 1, and 100% for ultra 2. so us rose players will probably only get this cool second ultra like…near death :(.
If she got an AST, that shit better be able to be juggled from a HP reflect. I’ll be TIGHT.
I’m tellign you guys. All the tweaking would be great, but what we need is her EX soul spark to be easily FADC’ed into an ultra. Its possible at some ranges, but we need a c.mp > ex SS > FADC > Ultra combo. thats fair.
Yeah if it can combo i guess thats okay but im not against an all new Ultra.
I was thinking thay could use the little spirit balls that follow Rose during the opening of the match. You know the ones she has always had and she holds in her hands while she floats and says “your nervous aren’t you”.
They have never been in her specials before so it would be fresh for them to be part of her Ultamite/best attack kind of like rose was holding back this entire time since alpha. I was thinking they could fly through you about 8 times in ziz zags and then rose would make an Arua SP and they would fly around it as she throws it at you in a double helix pattern. IDK maybe thats to over the top (blame DBZ and 98-2000 toonami for my imaginations limits) it would do like 510-540 damage.Id call it Aura StarDust Destruction/Destroyer or Stardust Aura Soul Destuction/Destroyer.
Oh and Capcom please give rose her PC custom skin this one.
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It could be her main Outfit or 3rd outfit or replace her second. I dont know i just want it it makes rose look kind of tought but still like a chick but one you dont want to f around with, she fits more to the street fighter theme to me. You could get rid of the tats i
dont like them much
Its not slutty to me especailly if you take out the the
tats, but i dont care if they clean it up a bit. Give it somecover over the back but leave out the shoulders and give rose tent/stocking from the end of her boots to her dress(i dont mind it as is but) and seal the sides of her top up. That is it the slutty is removed. I think its okay as is but this wouldnt bother me so long as it still looked cool.
I didn’t know thought they might be actuall souls which is cooler in my opinon but what ever if they make that her new Ultra i shed a tear everytime i use it to finsh the match.
It would be kinda cool if she had an Ultra that worked like Oro’s Tengu Stone SA from SF3. The Sparks would float around her allowing for extra hits on normal combos, new combos due to the extra hitstun, great blockstrings, tricky resets, etc.
I thought the samet thing but got the idea from a differnt character and Game
Strider from MVC with Obro’s but i thought it might be broken in Street fighter and if
they did do this rose couldn’t have an over head which y Strider dosent have a true one as he would be broke.
But yeah it it worked i wouldn’t mind but how long would it last cuz if its quick i would rather have a cenimatic of what i said above.(still like that overall but could see how it maybe to much) Do you guys think her PC Alt skin is slutty. I love how it makes rose look Stong but still a chick compared to her normal outfit which looks like she going to buy grocery’s or something. (lol but i like he Normal outfit just sating how i think it looks is all)
Oh how I miss Oro’s Tengu Stone SA. For how cool it would be, it just wouldn’t work in SFIV without being too overpowered. I think Ono is going to stay away from that, imo.
Somebody really knows their fashion. Maybe she can dress for the seasons holidays too. I think Capcom is looking into that.
They could add that costume if SSF4 turned out to be Konami vs Capcom, but otherwise not, since it’s supposed to be Shanoa from Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia.
While we’re discussing dresses and stockings and other useless things, I think her hair should wave around on its own again. Also, she looked like she was focused on the fight in the Alphas, had a more intense posture. Now, she’s like…oddly swaying around. What the hell woman, make your hair blow and act like you give a damn.
My most important wish is EX spiral, it has to me a lot saver to use, more invincibility frames please!
Let me at least combo into ST using HP Reflect.
Ultra needs to work better, getting hit out of it because the tip of a DP hits you is silly, just the other day I got knocked down because of a high dive kick from a Rufus, I was seriously going WTF?! My timing was good and I still dont connect.
And this may sound silly, but shouldnt she at least have a little ship damage when people block her Ultra?
For her second Ultra I would love Aura Soul Throw, it would be an awesome AA, and would be amazing if she would follow into the air, did her Alpha air throw first before throwing them down.
I mean, I dont see what Rose cant improve a lot, she has soul power, that should mean something right?
Also silly, very in fact lol but at least change her 6th color, its almost exactly the same as her third, waste of a color.
This is very true. Rose was presented as very powerful and mysterious in the Alpha series and her gameplay showed it. They changed her style a bit as you mentioned which caused us to go from the godly crouching medium punch to the decent crouching medium, uh, slap? She used to actually punch and now her attacks look a lot like she’s wading through water if that makes sense.
My favorite was her time out in Alpha 3. LOOK AT THIS!
Lol i guess it sounds like it but im not that into it was just making a suggestion for metro since he said it looks slutty. I admit i did think they would have to tone it down the first time i saw but not cuz i thought slutty just because its street fighter she’s not supposed to look like model, she about to go kick bison in the ass.
I agree on Color 5,6 the colors are a weird shade so they are “technically” different capcom should have used the color schem of Orange and blue like they did on her ALT Costume where she looks like a gipsy for one and red and black or vise versa for the other.(I would glady take that) To make it look different they can make the primary color a bronzey Orange(or like ryu’s) and the secondary sapphire blue(like the main color on her normal outfit number 7)
Alright now back to the actuall move inhancements what Maria Croft said about the current ultra while have nver had the DP take me out from tip range Ultra i have had that Dive kick from rufus catch me even though im sure i timed it right so maybe its the hitboxes. Another problem is with people crossing up on rose’s ultra especially in the corner that junk is annoying as hell. your sitting ther like “got’em” and then its haha cross up soul hoe. My friend gets this off all the time with Sakura (yes cross up challenged sakura) and he openly say’s he didn’t mean or think it was going to cross up.
Now the chip damage thing i can kind of get cuz thinking about it your getting smacked with a scarf your not going to be scarded for life but in exchange for us gettin no chip damage we should get a nice counter hit bonus i was thinking on counter hit 510~520 woul be nice since rose’s ultra is two points away from five hundered which is stupid in my book.
About the Ex Spiral you can check my sugesstioons of the first page Maria Croft i edited it to include all the stuff that i have said since then till now.
I think im the only person who doesn’t want AST as our new Ultra or SI. I want something new but if we get either one so long as it works good i wont care. Got a name for that Ultra i suggested earlier. Either Aura Stardust Destuction or Stardust Aura Soul Destuction/Destroyer. lol it sound mad dramatic.
Oh Roogle that time Out Pose should be one of her personal actions and she should say something kind of insulting like “I perdicted/Called this one!”. Only cuz rose doesnt have any snotty things in her personal actions besides number 4 and i think 10 is kind of snotty. Also is your avatar a male version of rose i have always wonderd this since way back when i just looked at SRK but never posted.
For the new Ultra, I’d like something new or Soul Illusion. I think Soul Illusion would have made a better Super than Aura Soul Spark depending on its properties, but seeing as how we depend on EX Soul Spiral so much, maybe not so much.
My avatar is an edit of Guy’s sprite from Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Rose’s sprite from Street Fighter Alpha 3.
It was made before the announcement of Street Fighter IV and I figured Rose had to have been dead after being gone for almost ten years so I made a draft for another inheritor of Soul Power to take her place except, yeah, this one is male.
But yeah, definitely, she wasn’t always this awkward. During Illusion Spark, she looks and acts more like the Rose I remember, but otherwise…and yes I know what you mean by the water thing.
edit: Re: newer post, that makes some sense. Guy did save her in one ending. I played those two characters, really hoping he makes it into SSF4.
I get a bit frustrated with the “Step forward” of the Ultra. Maybe have that adjusted. I actually started realizing this lately. Someone would jump in for a deep attack, and it would be almost on my head. I KNOW i spaced it out right. I know the jump arcs, because frankly…I suspect people to jump in when im a certain distance…but some how they land on the other side.
This happens with El Fuerte also. I’m like “oh hes gonna land right infront, sweet” and he hits my head.
My whole point, I dont like that Rose has some like…forward travel. Hell, its fine for the animation, but dont change the hit detection.
I dont care what the second ultra is, it should be able to combo.
Yeah that sound like the best thing to do to fix this problem and it’s not like its going to be cheap or anything because even when rose does the ultra animation it doesnt look like you can cross her up. (at least not as easily as it happens)
I wanted to know how come you have changed your mind about these changes since then compared to the changes you put up now
