Nothing in the world is more pressing than getting her a reliable reversal before ANYTHING else. I pray that they turn EX ST into her alpha counter. That would be so ideal and makes the most sense. Non-damaging combos be damned.
I’d rather have any counter hit combos be spared of burning meter for the most damage by not having to end with EX spiral.
If youd rather have that than a reliable reversal… im sorry but YJDK.
Yeah, and she need a reliable reversal that doesnt use Ex meter. Coz yeah u can always change the hit frame of ex spiral but… ex spiral is her risky move, blocked = hard punish + minus 1 meter.
So… mb change the frame of the normal spiral (dunno which and how) to be a reversal.
I dont mind if they remove the safe spacing of spiral or safe slide, i would gladly trade em for a fucking reversal :’(
go back to ken. and Saqs, if you didn’t duck me, then maybe you could actually say “YJDK”. All I have to say to you is man the fuck up. lay off your panic button.
for clarity: THE REASON ROSE WILL NEVER GET A “RELIABLE REVERSAL” IS BECAUSE SPIRAL IS ONE OF THE BEST ARMOR BREAKERS IN THE GAME.
You are smoking crack if you think an armor breaker is equivalent to a reversal. People who know rose, will exploit her wake up and there is nothing you can do. At the end of the day, I agree with Saqs, YJDK.
WOOOOOW, cool we have an armor breaker!!!
Do u know someone who will spam FA in front of someone who have a fast armor breaker??
srsly its like saying ‘yo i FA against sagat everyday, to be instant Ex TS/Knee’
unfortunately this game relies too much in reversals. With some rare exception (Iyos Dhalsim comes to mind), chars without a reliable reversal are screwed and have no options to win serious tournaments.
at first, i was very reluctant to buff Rose too much (better fireball game, invencible regular Soul Throw, more EX specials damage…), but after listening from CAPCOM people they are going to buff Sagat and Ryu even more, screw it, give Rose as much power as possible!! :rock::rock:
so, yes, she needs a good reversal. Different from shotos shoryu, ok, but as good as it none the less. The key to turn her EX SSpiral into a reliable reversal is to change it invencibility and start up propierties to make both overlap.
Currently, invencibility ends 2 frames before first active frame kicks in (invencibility lasts from frame 1 to frame 11, and first active frame starts at frame 13). That is crap. BIG crap.
Also EX SSpiral should inflict more damage. Not too much, but a 20% more.
Oh wow, killing your idols, heh?
Yeah, that would be incredibly useful- but I’d rather see her buffed in other areas then get that.
I think if she had that, she’d be a little too good.
I agree with that. If she’ll get a reversal, she can be pick up by all the scrub. I prefer her to be boosted, so she can be great when well played, but still hard to master.
maybe like C.Vyper: it’s not a top in the tougeki tier list for nothing, but really really hard to get something done with her at the beginning.
…
but I realise that Vyper had her EX burning kick which its a no-so-bad reversal… so maybe Rose do need a reversal… I don’t know
don forget her EX Seismo.
Rose needs a better reversal (because she already has one, but crappy as hell).
Clueless people are clueless. And duck you? Uhh yeah ok. If ducking you = not wanting to play on a shitty 2 bar connection then i’ve ducked a helluva lot of people. Don’t flatter yourself kid…
Anyone that says she doesnt need or shouldnt get a reliable reversal has no idea WTF they are talking about when it comes to high level play. Period.
It also has a plus side though if she gets better and more people pick her up, it means the chances of her being in more SF games improve.
But giving her one good reversal is not going to make people decide to play Rose anway.
…even if this is true, that doesn’t justify her being screwed on wake up. Everyone else has something, it’s only fair that she should have something as well.
Besides, what we’re asking for isn’t overpowered at all, as a command AC won’t even activate unless it makes contact with something. It doesn’t have any hit frames of its own, it can still be thrown, and it requires smart usage and the ability to predict your opponent. I don’t see what the problem is.
This thread is good all the sudden!
Rose’s player arguing between… ‘should she stay low tier or no?’ LOL.
Pretty much 
:looney:
If you like Rose in her current state, then you probably haven’t played any of the other games that she has appeared in where she has a lot more options available to her.
I find it strange that people don’t want her to receive her original abilities back (Soul Illusion, Soul Collect) – I think her current state is because they didn’t want to put overpowered console characters in the game and basically put some “framework” in for each console character. I expect to see Rose as she was meant to be come Super Street Fighter IV.
I meant Ex spiral shouldn’t become Rose’s “reliable reversal”. Doing it at point blank, and it gets blocked, you’re at the other player’s mercy.
Saqs, maybe you should be more concerned with not getting knocked down than how you can freak out when it happens. Sounds like you just don’t wanna play defense and in fact don’t know how to use reversals. Honestly, pick up Ken, he’s everything you could dream of.
Oh and they basically gave the alpha counter to Juri, so it looks like we’ll have to stick with backdash. QQ
She’s not “screwed” just gotta be ready to tech vs most characters. and there are a few characters even on arcade that are in the same boat as Rose. she alone didn’t get the shaft.
and Roogle you’re probably right. I like Rose in her current state, but not as much as how she used to play. I imagine it was a balance issue, which is probably why so many people are disappointed with her.